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Posted by SilverBlade (Member # 3541) on November 22, 2005, 06:37:
 
Rising Stars: Prussian Blue

I am not entirely sure what to think about this. Either the girls have been brainwashed by producers... or... or...
 
Posted by drunkennewfiemidget (Member # 2814) on November 22, 2005, 06:45:
 
They both need therapy.
 
Posted by Ugh, MightyClub (Member # 3112) on November 22, 2005, 06:49:
 
What the fsck?

My belief that everyone is entitled to their opinion is severely tested by radicals like these...
 
Posted by skylar (Member # 1422) on November 22, 2005, 06:53:
 
I heard about these two a couple of years back, when they were interviewed by the excellent Mr. Louis Theroux.

The old cliche that it's always the parents who are to blame can really be brought to bear in this case, methinks. I feel sad for them.
 
Posted by spungo (Member # 1089) on November 22, 2005, 07:26:
 
Funny how these so-called pro-Aryan types always turn out to be the most thick, redneck, trailer-trash pond-scum around.

It's people like this that give inbreeding a bad name. [Wink]
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 22, 2005, 08:47:
 
According to this previously posted article, their hometown is Bakersfield, just a couple hours drive from here. I'd never heard anything about them, though.

However, the Gaede name is familiar to me in other ways. It seems that hate has been passed down through several generations to those girls. April Gaede, the girls' mother, posted a bunch of hate flyers around the university campus one night. The students organized an anti-hate vigil in response, and she hasn't come back. A Bill Gaede, who is apparently April's father, cut down a tree snag that a bunch of Mexican Catholics believed had an image of the Virgin Mary in it. The tree was on public property, and he reportedly spouted a number of anti-Catholic and racial slurs while cutting it down.

I would be tempted to say something about the family in general, but I know some other Gaedes in my church who I'm told are related to the others in some way. They are the opposite of their hateful relatives in every way I can see.
 
Posted by Stereo (Member # 748) on November 22, 2005, 09:05:
 
I have but one question: how come their racist mother is allowed to homeschool these girls? Shouldn't that be banned as hatefull message? (Talk about breeding hate...)
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 22, 2005, 09:24:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
I have but one question: how come their racist mother is allowed to homeschool these girls? Shouldn't that be banned as hatefull message? (Talk about breeding hate...)

Banning that sort of thing might be tempting, but it's a dangerous precedent to set. It's protected under the Bill of Rights for a reason.
 
Posted by Stereo (Member # 748) on November 22, 2005, 10:08:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
I have but one question: how come their racist mother is allowed to homeschool these girls? Shouldn't that be banned as hatefull message? (Talk about breeding hate...)

Banning that sort of thing might be tempting, but it's a dangerous precedent to set. It's protected under the Bill of Rights for a reason.
Well, I don't know about the USA, but in Canada, hatefull messages are not protected by the right for free speech, so I kinda assumed a similar rule could be applied... Although I understand that homeschooling could be considered private, while the hate-messages-are-not-free-speech rule is applied to public messages (web sites, lectures, pamphlets distributions, etc.).

Aside question: do you have to pass some regulated exams to get a high school diploma in the US, or does every institution set its own rules? Just wondering if the girls are doomed to a life of MacDonald jobs because they get what their mother think is an education, rather than the "socially-approved" definition.
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 22, 2005, 10:23:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
Well, I don't know about the USA, but in Canada, hatefull messages are not protected by the right for free speech, so I kinda assumed a similar rule could be applied... Although I understand that homeschooling could be considered private, while the hate-messages-are-not-free-speech rule is applied to public messages (web sites, lectures, pamphlets distributions, etc.).

Aside question: do you have to pass some regulated exams to get a high school diploma in the US, or does every institution set its own rules? Just wondering if the girls are doomed to a life of MacDonald jobs because they get what their mother think is an education, rather than the "socially-approved" definition.

My understanding is that hate speech here is protected, provided it is not specifically promoting violence. For example, the KKK is allowed to do their marches, but they can be arrested if they call for hurting or killing minorities.

I don't know a lot about homeschooling, but the people I've known who have done it have mentioned state tests that they have to pass for each grade level.
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on November 22, 2005, 10:25:
 
In California, at least, they do have set of guidelines that the children have to reach before being considered proficient.

So even if their parent says "these are all lies" the children have to, at the least, know and understand the concepts.

The unfortunate thing is, whether or not these children are home schooled, they would have learned the message they have learned.

I seriously doubt that by placing them into the public education system they would have gained a different outlook on life.
 
Posted by YaYawoman (Member # 4505) on November 22, 2005, 10:46:
 
It might not have changed the hate they were learning at home, but they would have been exposed to ouside influences and opinions.

Maybe seeing and interacting with many different kinds of people would have influenced them to think a little bit about what they are being taught at home and to question,even if only inside themselves.

It is hard to hate people you know for foolish reasons like race. Fear and hate thrive in ignorance. Expose people to 'other' and 'other' no longer is. I don't know if i'm making any sense here, but I hope it is coming across.
 
Posted by Too Cool To Quit (Member # 2217) on November 22, 2005, 11:29:
 
quote:
Originally posted by YaYawoman:
It might not have changed the hate they were learning at home, but they would have been exposed to ouside influences and opinions.

Maybe seeing and interacting with many different kinds of people would have influenced them to think a little bit about what they are being taught at home and to question,even if only inside themselves.

It is hard to hate people you know for foolish reasons like race. Fear and hate thrive in ignorance. Expose people to 'other' and 'other' no longer is. I don't know if i'm making any sense here, but I hope it is coming across.

Although that's great, I've learned, from being in the school system for a little while, actually AMONG other students, that this isn't necessarily the case always, if ever, and I've learned that such behaviours will just cause students to form into little groups. So, in practice and in my experience, that really wouldn't make a damned bit of difference.

Where as you'd think that students would form into groups because of things they enjoy doing together, etc, etc, they tend to only form into groups because of a hatred for one thing or another that is common amongst them all. Where as one kid might be accepted still for saying "Well, you guys don't like Harry Potter, but I do." if that same child said "Well, you guys hate black people, but I don't." they would quickly be outcasted from the group. Again, this is only from personal experiences.

Unfortunate, I know. Maybe it's just here that this is common, but I get the feeling it isn't.
 
Posted by Aditu (Member # 2340) on November 22, 2005, 11:31:
 
It is just so sad that people can believe things like that.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 22, 2005, 12:15:
 
Naming themselves after a component of Zyklon B, nice. [thumbsdown]
 
Posted by supergoo (Member # 2280) on November 22, 2005, 13:12:
 
I actually read a small Time magazine blurb about this duo a few months ago. As I had never heard of a specifically "pro-White" music group (especially a pro-White group consisting of two 12-year-olds) I googled "Prussian blue" out of curiosity.

I just feel bad for them... probably with all of the publicity they're getting, they're going to be subjected to a lot of hate mail and negative buzz. Nobody should be singing the praises of White supremacy, but it seems that the parents came up with the idea of an Aryan singing duo. I mean really, do these girls look like they would detonate a car bomb? The music sounds hateful but the girls certainly don't seem hateful.

Basically I feel sorry for them because of what their parents have gotten them into :/
 
Posted by Demosthenes (Member # 530) on November 22, 2005, 13:52:
 
I heard that they were mostly covering other people's material...I haven't heard any of their music, but there was some major buzz about them on alt.rec.industrial a while back. Why are these talentless, brainless fucks all over the media headlines when it will only boost their fame and earn them more money and fans?

(PS, it's filthy racist bastards like these ones who slather a bad reputation over those of us who are proud of our European heritage without demeaning other races. It drives me crazy every time I'm met with accusations of being a Nazi when I talk about my Norse and Irish background.)
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 22, 2005, 14:52:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:

(PS, it's filthy racist bastards like these ones who slather a bad reputation over those of us who are proud of our European heritage without demeaning other races. It drives me crazy every time I'm met with accusations of being a Nazi when I talk about my Norse and Irish background.)

Ignorant people. They clearly don't have a clue about the Danish resistance.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 22, 2005, 15:02:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
Ignorant people. They clearly don't have a clue about the Danish resistance.

The thing I really like about that story is that the local German Navy commanders conspired to 'look the other way' when the refugees were crossing to Sweden. The only jews captured were in a boat that foundered half way across, they were rescued by a patrol boat, taken to a hospital in Denmark, and later 'escaped' while their navy guard was on a toilet break.
 
Posted by Matias (Member # 4216) on November 22, 2005, 15:14:
 
They look like two little puppets the mother dresses everyday. [shake head]
 
Posted by magefile (Member # 2918) on November 22, 2005, 15:49:
 
quote:
Originally posted by YaYawoman:
It is hard to hate people you know for foolish reasons like race. Fear and hate thrive in ignorance. Expose people to 'other' and 'other' no longer is. I don't know if i'm making any sense here, but I hope it is coming across.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with TCTQ here. Familiarity with the other helps; but if you come into contact with the other and refuse to have anything to do with them, then familiarity won't happen.
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 22, 2005, 16:12:
 
Contact with the "others" that these girls have been taught to hate can even reinforce their beliefs in some cases. If they were taught that other races are more angry and vicious than whites, that will probably become verified in their minds simply by consciously and subconsciously instigating that type of response. It's just a type of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, given how deeply the girls' family seems to believe what they spout, I imagine their mother can explain away any experiences that might contradict what they've been taught.
 
Posted by jordanv (Member # 3189) on November 22, 2005, 16:50:
 
I have heard of them, since I tend to troll stormfront and like sites and do whatever I can to piss them off.

i'm guessing they are anti-semites.

What I want to know is: aren't jews white?

Beta Israel excluded.
 
Posted by FireSnake (Member # 1181) on November 22, 2005, 18:10:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
It drives me crazy every time I'm met with accusations of being a Nazi when I talk about my Norse and Irish background.)

Ah, the well-known Irish Nazis. [Roll Eyes] Really Demosthenes, and you haven't got the good manners to be ashamed of yourself? [shake head]
 
Posted by ChildeRoland (Member # 3880) on November 22, 2005, 18:32:
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanv:

What I want to know is: aren't jews white?

No. Jews (the race at least) are Semites and come from the middle east, whereas "whites" tend to be associated with people of northern european descent.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 22, 2005, 19:57:
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanv:
What I want to know is: aren't jews white?

There was a scene in 'Northern Exposure' where the central character (a NY jewish doctor) argued vehemently with his native american neighbors that jews aren't white.

I've always thought the whole 'white' thing is a bit silly anyway, most people would classify me as 'white', but if you have a look at my photo in the gallery, you'll notice it's a fairly inaccurate description of my complexion.
 
Posted by Demosthenes (Member # 530) on November 22, 2005, 20:44:
 
quote:
Originally posted by FireSnake:
quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
It drives me crazy every time I'm met with accusations of being a Nazi when I talk about my Norse and Irish background.)

Ah, the well-known Irish Nazis. [Roll Eyes] Really Demosthenes, and you haven't got the good manners to be ashamed of yourself? [shake head]
We're too concerned with our whiskey to have opinions about race. [Big Grin]

(If I recall correctly, didn't Hitler despise the Irish? As if that weren't enough, my father's side is largely comprised of Russian and Icelandic Jews...let me tell you the story about the year I missed Passover dinner with my family because my RA was concerned about me being in a "neo-Nazi organization." Nothing like combat boots and a shaved head to start the rumor mill.)
 
Posted by YaYawoman (Member # 4505) on November 23, 2005, 07:26:
 
Me again. I was thinking about this last night and I'm sorry to say that Too cool to quit and Commandershroom are probably right. Ooh, that is really twisting my stomach though. What a waste of time and energy! Life is way too short to waste on crap like that. Too many interesting and fun people to get to know to let race or anything else get in the way.
 
Posted by Stereo (Member # 748) on November 23, 2005, 07:28:
 
Anyway, we all ultimately come from Africa - so we're all blacks. Some of us just have a very pale shade of black/brown. You know, like the leaves turning another color when there isn't enough chlorophyl to keep them green? Well, "white" people are actually "winter black" people. [crazy] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stormtalon (Member # 1163) on November 23, 2005, 08:10:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
Anyway, we all ultimately come from Africa - so we're all blacks. Some of us just have a very pale shade of black/brown. You know, like the leaves turning another color when there isn't enough chlorophyl to keep them green? Well, "white" people are actually "winter black" people. [crazy] [Big Grin]

Arthur C Clarke has a short story about that, I believe.

Stormtalon
 
Posted by ewomack (Member # 3225) on November 23, 2005, 10:42:
 
Someday we'll be able to map our personal genetic histories/geneologies and we'll finally have proof that we really all do belong to the same race.

Then we can start wars over more important things, like beer and sex.
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on November 23, 2005, 11:31:
 
quote:
Originally posted by ewomack:
Someday we'll be able to map our personal genetic histories/geneologies and we'll finally have proof that we really all do belong to the same race.

These people are not only good at ignoring proof that disputes their thoughts, they also tend to make things up to support their beliefs. The Aryan Nation belief that today's Jews are actually imposters, and Northern Europeans are the real ones, is a rather odd example.

quote:
"We believe that the true, literal children of the Bible are the twelve tribes of Israel, now scattered throughout the world and now known as the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Teutonic, Scandinavian, Celtic peoples."
From http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Aryan_Nations.asp?xpicked=3&item=11
 
Posted by nerdwithnofriends (Member # 3773) on November 23, 2005, 11:55:
 
Well, I was going to post something very profound and mind-boggling, but I guess I just don't deal well with the stupidity of these people.

I mean, seriously--the Jewish people as a virus? WTF?


....stupidity taking over.... must... resist... white... supremacists... coming.... AGGHHHHH
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on November 23, 2005, 14:15:
 
Maybe they could get Michael Jackson to produce their next album. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on July 18, 2011, 07:45:
 
I'm intentionally resurrecting this thread, as I ran into some updated (good) news on the Gaede twins today.

Apparently, they've become much more accepting of other races, rejecting the hate passed down to them by their mom and grandfather. They decided to end the music years ago, after apparently being a bit disturbed by the hate and fan mail they'd get. Their current tone is decidedly... hippy-ish.

Their new cause? Medical marijuana, which both apparently use for some actual serious ailments they've acquired in their late teens.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/07/17/071711-news-nazi-twins-1-6/

So, it seems there is some very good news there, in that hate seems to have lost out finally.
 
Posted by GrumpySteen (Member # 170) on July 18, 2011, 09:01:
 
I doubt that hate was ever their point. Attention-whoring seems more likely and their new schtick seems like a continuation of it.
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on July 19, 2011, 07:09:
 
quote:
Originally posted by GrumpySteen:
I doubt that hate was ever their point. Attention-whoring seems more likely and their new schtick seems like a continuation of it.

Possibly, though I did run across some stuff a while back that suggests their mother is more the culprit.

Either way, I definitely prefer the current form over what they promoted as kids.
 
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on July 20, 2011, 20:55:
 
I for one commend thier doctors' off label use of medical marijauna and say thier treatment seems to be coming along beautifully.
 


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