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Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on July 15, 2013, 14:00:
 
So I ran across some references to Plan 9. An OS that is not an OS as much as the original Dos was not an OS.

So has anyone here used or tried to use "Plan 9"?

From what I can gather it may be like Basic but not like basic or command line, or not like command line.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on July 15, 2013, 20:36:
 
Them's fighting words. As a CS guy and /. reader, it's my general understanding that Plan 9 is supposed to be the sh*t. I just found the Wikipedia article and see that it was meant to be the successor to Unix, chiefly used in research. The authors involved are a veritable Who's Who of CS and OS design.

That said, while I think it might have been a brilliant concept, I don't think it quite ever took off; Linux started around the same time, and well...that's developed quite the following. [Smile]
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on July 16, 2013, 06:21:
 
D-man I was not trying to start a religious flame war. I had found some non wiki pages that made it sound like a non GUI OS.

From what I read it is supposed to be a compact high power OS. Mostly command-line.

While I am some what happy with Ubuntu, I like Puppy, but Ubuntu is getting like M$ bloatware.

I also found an ISO of OS/2 4.5 Just asking before I bother to down load the ISO's.
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on July 16, 2013, 08:42:
 
MoMan,

It may be worth taking the plunge over to something like straight ahead Debian. You can specify your preferred desktop at the initial install so you don't have to use Gnome if you don't want to.

Another option is to move to Mint or Crunchbang if you want to use a Debian derivative. I have fallen into like with Crunchbang and their default Openbox set up, though I still miss the prettification of other Desktops.

Arch is also not a bad deal, you are working closer to source but I always found the downloading of the packages to be a bit faster than Debian. However it is definitely more work to get the basic system up and running.
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on July 16, 2013, 09:57:
 
OS's I have tried!

Mac OS 7.x
Mac OS 8.3
Mac X

Suse

M$ 95
M$ 98
M$ XP
M$ 7

Ubuntu-5
Ubuntu 13
Knoppix and Harv's Ham Shack Hack
Slaxware
Puppy v2-presice
Debian

Observations Puppy is better in the ham shack because the APP. Fldigi was written on Puppy and then ported to other platforms.

XP is the Gold standard for MMSSTV Ham Radio Slow Scan TV

Ubuntu is a very good alternative to M$ however it is getting pretty big.
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on July 16, 2013, 10:51:
 
Okay folks I downloaded the Plan 9 ISO and burned the CD. My laptop a Compaq Presario stalled out during boot. So I tried the CD in the ITI server, same result. I either got a faulty download or defective burn. So much for trying Plan 9.

I use a puppy ISO when checking balances on my IRA. Thinking that Puppy is/has been around for a while someone may have a hack for it, I thought that a totally obscure OS would throw them off track for a while. I am still looking for an OS/2 ISO.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on July 16, 2013, 19:28:
 
Security through obscurity is not security. A locked down, hardened OS, that is kept up to date is the way to have real security. Check out OpenBSD if you want a security-oriented distro made by paranoid folks. I'm not actually sure if it's usable, but that's an entirely different story.

Isolation is a very good thing, also - if you only use one distro for online banking, and don't do /anything/ else with it, there's little chance you're going to be compromised. Also key is doing it from a trusted network - an untrusted network could result in phishing/sidejacking/you-name-it (assuming you visit a site without SSL, or a na'er-do-well has managed to purport to be part of the signing chain, which is pretty scary). On a less-tinfoil-hat level, it's not a bad idea to use different browsers for different roles. For instance, I use Chrome in Incognito mode for opening silly links people send (or viewing b3ta) - Chrome is one of the more secure browsers out there and furthermore, something I view in Chrome can't get a hold of the cookies in Firefox...so even the best crafted Javascript 0-day attack can't get 'the goods' if the goods aren't present. (And in Firefox I use NoScript to prevent all sorts of evil; ads on lazier sites disappearing is just a convenient side effect.)

P.S. Wow...I wrote that and /then/ checked out /. for the first time today...seeing this:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/16/2151232/office-365-amazon-others-vulnerable-to-exploit-microsoft-knew-about-in-2012
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on July 16, 2013, 19:57:
 
D-man, For general surfing I use Ubuntu, When I check balances on-line I pop in the Precise Puppy ISO Reboot into Puppy and use Sea Monkey as the browser, usually done in less than one minute, reboot back to Ubuntu. The other method is to dial up the automated telephone line get the balances and hang up. Or I look up the funds on Morning Star, and multiply the numbers with my desk calculator.

If I get a phone call from someone saying that they are from the service I use,I tell them politely that I do not provide any info to callers. I may call them but I do not want them calling me.

A former co-worker was hacked while in Hawaii, he had just checked balances with his windows laptop, it also contained his complete portfolio. While he was on-line he watched his values going down, he called customer service and got the transaction blocked. He came back from his honeymoon very shaken. I think it was poor WiFi.
 


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