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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted November 27, 2011 06:46      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anarchy, are we there yet?

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Icon 1 posted November 27, 2011 12:03      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
No?

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Icon 1 posted November 27, 2011 14:28      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
no.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
no.

Who gave you permission to answer that question?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
no.

Who gave you permission to answer that question?
The signees of the Us constitutin and all those who have followed and have been made to swear an oath to uphold it. So, the US federal government, which by the way, proves I am right.

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Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical signing ceremony...

I mean, if I went around calling myself an emperor because some ink-moistened bint had written a note about me, they'd put me away..

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Icon 1 posted November 27, 2011 21:45      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.

Luckily, we still have a long, long way to go.
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Sens. John McCain & Carl Levin Believe differently!!

Check here

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Just one more example of Obama's 'Tyranny'.

Oh, wait, it's the other lot who are doing this...

Thank Bob for strong politicians willing to do whatever it takes to protect Liberty!

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Icon 1 posted November 28, 2011 19:14      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by zesovietrussian:
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.

Luckily, we still have a long, long way to go.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Xanthine was not talking about poverty or blight and pockets of urban crime, but the complete and utter lawlessness of Somalia. Also, I would question the timeliness of that picture of the Bronx - it looks pretty old. (There are some rundown areas, but almost nothing like that these days, I think.) Somalia is just a disaster, and I'm quite certain we're a far way away from that. The closest the First World got to that was the London Riots, and what Wikipedia calls the "2005 civil unrest in France."

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The biggest difference between anarchy and poverty is the number of dead bodies in the streets.

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Dman,

I know what she meant, I'm just pointing out the fact that it is entirely possible for certain parts of the richest country in the world to look like Somalia, or worse. In fact, I can think of quite a few cities that are exactly the opposite of what you described - not small pockets of blight surrounded by nice neighborhoods, but rather small pockets of well-preserved and well-maintained housing stock surrounded by a vast sea of blight (Detroit, Baltimore, Camden, etc.) As far as Bronx picture goes, I believe it's from mid-80s and it does not look nearly as bad now, though some parts of South Bronx are still mighty scary. Here's a great post showing just how bad New York was only a few decades ago.

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Wow...that's...not charming. I know NY's had some grim days, but I've either not been to those parts, or wasn't alive for them...or some mix of the two.

Putting things like that out there is important, if for no other reason than to remind people what can be lost. (Though I may disagree with many of his views, Rudy did a pretty good turn on improving NY quality of life, and I mostly favor Bloomberg's work.)

I read an interesting OpEd today, catching up on some backlog from the weekend:
The Death of the Fringe Suburb

In a nutshell - the hellholes of the near future are going to be the strip malls, not the cities. Given the rapid gentrification of many parts of NYC, I would definitely agree with this trend, and would certainly like to see many of those other places bulldozed. Incidentally, you mentioned Detroit - I find their work to 'shrink the suburbs' to be pretty fascinating. It's certainly one way to deal with blight, and probably a good one at that.

P.S. Cheers on the PS. Noted, and sorted.

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Yeah, I was talking about lawlessness. Doesn't have to go hand in hand with blight or poverty, though I'm not sure prosperity would last long without rule of law.

Those pics fail to impress. I've seen some pretty unimaginable shit in my travels. Believe it or not, we really do still have a long way to fall. Not that that makes what's happened to places like Detroit acceptable, but we've still got a long way to go.

ETA: the push to return to living in the cities as opposed to the 'burbs might be a saving grace for places like the Bronx. However, I'm not sure what will rescue old industrial cities like Baltimore and Detroit. Unless manufacturing returns, or they find a new way to bring in the dollars, the incentive to revitalize just won't be there.

ETA Again: strip malls have always been hellholes, dman.

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Melbourne was ranked 'The Worlds Most Liveable City' again this year, and the local paper thought it would be interesting to apply the 'Liveability Index' on a smaller scale, to find the most liveable neighbourhoods within the city.

As the map shows, it's the inner suburbs that rate the highest, mostly for the reasons outlined in the article Dman linked to.

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