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I was driving this morning in the morning rush, my proper 2 car spaces from the guy in front of me in the left (fast) lane. There was an extremely annoying girl behind me tailgating the crap out of me, and I kept glancing up at her in the mirror because she was making me nervous.

Once when I was glancing up, the guy in front of me braked pretty hard. I had time to brake too, but barely, and I ended up right on his rear. The girl tailgating me had to brake even harder, and she didn't hit me either, but was giving me some seriously angry looks.

Then I heard *scrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeech THUD*
The guy behind her hit her (and even with the forward momentum, she didn't hit me which shocked me), and the two cars behind him swerved into the grass.

I just kept driving once traffic started moving again. I wasn't about to stick around for that scene.

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Actually, the girl tailgating you would be the one that caused the accident. (Or maybe the guy behind her, if he was tailgating too.) Good thing you were far enough behind the guy in front of you to brake in time. Glad you are okay.

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Honestly b-a how do you think you caused it?

If you truly kept a proper distance between you and the car in front of you and had time to stop without locking up your wheels it's far from your fault. Unless there is some way to keep people from humping your bumper that I have yet to learn about in nearly 20 years of driving all over the place.

Though when I drove old American iron I wanted to mount spikes on my bumpers to keep people from tailgating me and a cowcatcher on the front to encourage the slow ones to proceed to another lane quickly.

Honestly, from what you are saying, the person behind you got what they deserved, along with the jackass behind them. Neither one was driving sensibly and didn't allow for either braking or a fast escape.

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Tailgating makes baby Jesus cry.

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
Honestly b-a how do you think you caused it?

Eh, I guess I thought since I only had to brake so hard because I was glancing up, rather than braking sooner, it wouldn't have happened at all.
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Here's the full thing: it's normal to look in your mirror once in a while, to keep an eye on the surrounding traffic. The "security distance" is designed to be a buffer exactly for that - it allow for some reaction time. The girl behind you didn't allow herself such a buffer, but was obviously looking ahead (and probably strictly ahead, as are most tailgaiters), so she may have been able to avoid hitting you by having a quicker reaction. (Plus, isn't that what the top light - cyclope? - is for? Giving someone an advanced warning by seeing a car breaking even if there is another car in between?) But if the guy behind her was also too close, but distracted for some reason... Screeeech-thud! as you said.

You can be only responsible for the distance between you and the car in front of you, not the distance between you and the car behind. (Although I have this habit that seems to enrage the tailgaiters: when passing another car, I make sure to have enough distance between me and the car I just passed before switching lane again - I consider it courtesy not to cut and break people's security distance. When someone cuts me, I usually slow down to regain my buffer as soon as possible, so I don't want to slow someone else from carelessness on my part.)

So relax: no, you are not responsible for this accident.

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Tail gaters are a bane on society.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mac D:
Tail gaters are a bane on society.

So are people who put in un nessesary spaces. [evil]

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quote:
Originally posted by business attire:
quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
Honestly b-a how do you think you caused it?

Eh, I guess I thought since I only had to brake so hard because I was glancing up, rather than braking sooner, it wouldn't have happened at all.
That's why you need to have that buffer between you and the car in front of you! ;-)

And yeah.. Tailgaters can bite my ass. If they're so impatient, take another route or pass, but don't sit on my ass glaring at me.

Also reminded me of this recent blog entry someone made.

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Yeah - you are not to blame for the accident - you did what a good driver is supposed to do - it's not your fault that other drivers don't respect the rules of the road.

Story Time:

About a week ago I was driving on the 401 (Canada's main highway) there was a semi in front of me who was obviously carrying a giant load because he was going about 80 km/h on the up hill’s (it’s a 100 km/h road) and about 120 km/h on the downhill’s. Suddenly as he was going uphill he suddenly braked - this way no problem for me since I was a proper distance away and had actually given myself a bit more room given this guy sudden changes of speed. On the other hand the semi behind me was a little to close to me forcing me to slowly brake so that he couldn't hit me - in the end i was about a centimeter away from the rear bumper of the truck in front of me and the truck behind me wasn't much further away.

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quote:
Originally posted by stevenback7:
Yeah - you are not to blame for the accident - you did what a good driver is supposed to do - it's not your fault that other drivers don't respect the rules of the road.

Story Time:

About a week ago I was driving on the 401 (Canada's main highway) there was a semi in front of me who was obviously carrying a giant load because he was going about 80 km/h on the up hill’s (it’s a 100 km/h road) and about 120 km/h on the downhill’s. Suddenly as he was going uphill he suddenly braked - this way no problem for me since I was a proper distance away and had actually given myself a bit more room given this guy sudden changes of speed. On the other hand the semi behind me was a little to close to me forcing me to slowly brake so that he couldn't hit me - in the end i was about a centimeter away from the rear bumper of the truck in front of me and the truck behind me wasn't much further away.

I hate the 401. [Razz]
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80 km/h = 50 MPH
120 km/h = 75 MPH
100 km/h = 62 MPH
1 CM = .39 in

Just thought i would put in real measurements.

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quote:
Originally posted by stevenback7:

About a week ago I was driving on the 401 (Canada's main highway)

Canada's main highway? Are you on glue?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mac D:
80 km/h = 50 MPH
120 km/h = 75 MPH
100 km/h = 62 MPH
1 CM = .39 in

Just thought i would put in real measurements.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
quote:
Originally posted by stevenback7:

About a week ago I was driving on the 401 (Canada's main highway)

Canada's main highway? Are you on glue?
Canada's got a highway?

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I don't know about Canada's main highway, but the 401 is the busiest highway in North America, for what it's worth.

ba: 2 car lengths is not the appropriate distance to follow someone in the fast lane. You should be 3 seconds behind them, because that will account for the extra distance needed to stop at faster speeds. (2 car lengths is plenty when you're doing 25mph, but it ain't plenty when you're doing 65mph)

That being said, the accident wasn't your fault. Not even a little.

Insurance rules (and most provinces/state rules) state:

When two cars collide, front to back, unless the car in front accelerated backwards into the car behind it, or rolled a very large distance into it, or cut off the car behind it and then got hit, the car in behind is at fault 100% for the collision.

If a car is rear ended and as a result of the rear ending, hits the car in front of it, then the person at the back who did the initial hitting is 100% at fault for damage to the car they hit, as well as the car that they drove the person in front of them into, unless the car in front of them was in motion when it was hit, then the blame is shared 50/50 between the person doing the hitting, and the person driving the car that was driven into the 3rd car.

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How my mind works...

I read it was a guy in the accident behind BA and then
I wonder how close BA lives in relation to CT.

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Yeah well MPH can die a lonely and painful death.

Spungo - yeah and Canada does have a highway.

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You are never responsible for the people behind you, unless you are moving backwards.


Case in point: my buddy drives an old Ford Ranger. He had a couple innertubes tied up in back (we were getting ready to float the river) and was traveling on the highway at 75mph when the rope that secured the tubes came undone, so they bounced out of the back of his truck. One of the tubes struck a motorcyclist and caused him to wipe out, but fortunately with no serious injuries.

Wanna know whose fault it was, according to the police? The biker's- he was following too close to allow him to maneuver out of the way of the bouncing tubes. My buddy got away with a (very) cheap ticket for Inssecurely Securing His Stuff and a boatload of shame.

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quote:
Originally posted by nerdwithnofriends:
One of the tubes struck a motorcyclist and caused him to wipe out, but fortunately with no serious injuries.

Wanna know whose fault it was, according to the police? The biker's- he was following too close to allow him to maneuver out of the way of the bouncing tubes. My buddy got away with a (very) cheap ticket for Inssecurely Securing His Stuff and a boatload of shame.

Wow. You know, there is a time where you are responsible for what happens behind you. And this is a perfect case.

So he didn't tie his shit down properly and sent stuff flying around the freeway and nearly killed someone with his carelessness? Why am I not surprised?

Personally, your buddy would be at the wrong end f a ball peen hammer for a shit ass stunt like that. But me, I kinda like to take care of my own business.

I hope he learned a good lesson for that one. Because next time he could just be a killer by proxy.

Oh and fucking typical cops.

Edit: Being a motorcyclist for many years. I know that it is that type of carelessness that gets a lot of us killed. Not to say our own momets of stupidity don't result in the same fate, but when it is an obvious failure on another person's part to keep their stuff in line. And from the lack of foresight, could have caused a fatality and to only get a simple ticket seems like a bad deal.

Not saying he should have run out on a rail, but to get a ticket for an insecure load and have no real liability for his own failure to take care of his stuff stinks to me.

In the last two days I have been told of two accidents that have happened to motorcyclists due to others lack of responsibility. And in both cases the cops sat on their thumbs. Luckily neither one turned out to be fatal.

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quote:
Originally posted by stevenback7:

Spungo - yeah and Canada does have a highway.

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
Wow. You know, there is a time where you are responsible for what happens behind you. And this is a perfect case.

So he didn't tie his shit down properly and sent stuff flying around the freeway and nearly killed someone with his carelessness? Why am I not surprised?

Personally, your buddy would be at the wrong end f a ball peen hammer for a shit ass stunt like that. But me, I kinda like to take care of my own business.

I hope he learned a good lesson for that one. Because next time he could just be a killer by proxy.

Oh and fucking typical cops.

Edit: Being a motorcyclist for many years. I know that it is that type of carelessness that gets a lot of us killed. Not to say our own momets of stupidity don't result in the same fate, but when it is an obvious failure on another person's part to keep their stuff in line. And from the lack of foresight, could have caused a fatality and to only get a simple ticket seems like a bad deal.

Not saying he should have run out on a rail, but to get a ticket for an insecure load and have no real liability for his own failure to take care of his stuff stinks to me.

In the last two days I have been told of two accidents that have happened to motorcyclists due to others lack of responsibility. And in both cases the cops sat on their thumbs. Luckily neither one turned out to be fatal.

I wasn't there until afterwards, so I couldn't tell you how close the biker was following him, but from what my friend said, they were following pretty close. I say 'they', because they were riding in a pack, which I imagine would have limited maneuverability on the highway.

He had the tubes secured via a rubber bungie/cargo strap stretched across the bed and hooked into the side, with the strap going through the holes of the tubes. He should have used rope, but then again, what are the chances of a rubber bungie snapping when under no stress? Besides which, nobody else uses rope, and this was the first time a bungie had ever failed (that I or he had heard of); he had no reason to think that it wouldn't work this time when it had hundreds of times before.

But the lesson was learned: all tubes are now secured with rope, using actual knots.

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Funny I thought the 1 was the MAIN highway! or was that the Coquihalla? both are really busy. </smartarse>

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quote:
Originally posted by business attire:
There was an extremely annoying girl behind me tailgating the crap out of me, and I kept glancing up at her in the mirror because she was making me nervous.

You weren't doing anything wrong. You were being cautious.

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Once when I was glancing up, the guy in front of me braked pretty hard. I had time to brake too, but barely, and I ended up right on his rear.
You did nothing wrong there since you did not hit him.

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The girl tailgating me had to brake even harder, and she didn't hit me either, but was giving me some seriously angry looks.
Which she had no right to do considering she was driving recklessly. Furthermore you would have been able to give her more warning if she wouldn't have given you reason to look over your shoulder.

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Then I heard *scrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeech THUD*
The guy behind her hit her (and even with the forward momentum, she didn't hit me which shocked me), and the two cars behind him swerved into the grass.

The guy was too close to the girl tailgating you. He is the one at fault. The other two cars would have been at fault too if they would not have swerved because they were not giving enough space.

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I just kept driving once traffic started moving again. I wasn't about to stick around for that scene.
I would have stuck around if I was not busy and told the policeman exactly what happened. He would have thanked you and sent you on your way.

Edit: As a bonus if you would ever get in an accident and the other person is at fault, they keep the fact that you stuck around for the police on your record. I actually got more money from the insurance when someone rear ended me because of that.

Seriously don't they still teach the three second rule. You pick a spot on the road that the driver in front of you just passed and if you can't count to three before you pass it you're too damn close.

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Originally posted by BooBooKitty:
And yeah.. Tailgaters can bite my ass.

Don't tempt them. Some of them drive close enough to do that. [evil]

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Seriously don't they still teach the three second rule. You pick a spot on the road that the driver in front of you just passed and if you can't count to three before you pass it you're too damn close.
Yeah, they do still teach it. I don't like to sit there picking spots on the road and counting when I should be driving through. I just make sure that there is a LOT of space between myself and the car in front of me. It really annoys drivers behind me, because to them they're just thinking "she has all that space! she can go FASTER! what is wrong with her?!" and then they ride my bumper to try and herd me along.

If its not rush hour, and I'm not in a hurry, I usually slow down at that point [evil]
You'd be surprised at the number of idiots who would rather ride the bumper of someone driving 60 MPH in the fast lane, trying to get me to go faster, than to just go AROUND. [shake head]

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