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drunkennewfiemidget
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Icon 4 posted October 21, 2004 08:09      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
That's right boys and girls, we sucked it up, bit the bullet, and got an install date of December 5th for our fibre line! 4Mbit burstable to 6Mbit. Decent service contract. Lots of bandwidth.

Step one in taking over the world. [Big Grin]

I can't wait.

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Woohoo, Congrats! [Smile] [thumbsup]

This is at your workplace I assume?

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No. It's my own for my business. I run a small hosting/ebusiness type company. We're running the fibre into my business partner's Dad's business since it's like 10 metres away from the street where most of the fibre in Kitchener runs down (highway 7.)

My work has an OC-3, thanks. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:

My work has an OC-3, thanks. [Big Grin]

Ah, ok. I work at an ISP where we have businesses switching to our service quite often after previously being on an ISDN line or even dialup in some cases and so one never can tell [Wink]

Now I just have to take this opportunity to boast...we've got ya beat on the OC-3 [Big Grin] [Razz] [Wink]

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Well, if you want to get all technical we have 2 3Mbit cable modems for testing. 2x4Mbit DSL modems for testing. 1 OC-3 (~150Mbps), and an OC-1 (~50Mbps).

The connection I use is the Oc-3. The oc-1 routes dialup customers. The OC-3 routes cable and DSL customers and our office.

The DSL and cable modems are for fun.

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Well, if you want to get all technical we have 2 3Mbit cable modems for testing. 2x4Mbit DSL modems for testing. 1 OC-3 (~150Mbps), and an OC-1 (~50Mbps).

The connection I use is the Oc-3. The oc-1 routes dialup customers. The OC-3 routes cable and DSL customers and our office.

The DSL and cable modems are for fun.

Well, if I wanted to get all technical, I'd have mentioned a bunch of T1 lines and some other bigger bandwidth but since I'm not able to divulge that information I won't [Wink] [Razz]

Without starting to sound too childish, Let's just say that ours is still bigger [Wink] [Cool]

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haha. Ok. You win.

Not that I have any god damned use for 150Mbit ANYWAY.

The only nice thing is going

apt-get update ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade

And having apt tell me it fetched its updates at like. 9MB/s.

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
haha. Ok. You win.

Not that I have any god damned use for 150Mbit ANYWAY.

The only nice thing is going

apt-get update ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade

And having apt tell me it fetched its updates at like. 9MB/s.

Ah yes, I cherish the use of apt while I'm at work [Cool]

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Whereas if you used Gentoo, you'd need a laptop, such that after the source was downloaded in a mind-blistering 3.14 seconds, you'd just leave the thing compiling all day, and leave it running off battery during your evening commute such that it could continue compiling [Wink] . *But,* you'd get your apps to start up 7 ms faster than Debian - that makes it all worth it, no?

Note to readers: I do not actually use Gentoo, nor would I touch it with single packet*, and therefore, I may have slightly overstated the performance improvements.

*In the vein of "never say never," I do fear that I will have to use it some day, but rest assured that it will be an unhappy day [Smile] .

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
The only nice thing is going

apt-get update ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade

And having apt tell me it fetched its updates at like. 9MB/s.

Do you use dist-upgrade as a matter of course? I thought that was only needed when changing between releases? </Debian pedant>
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Here I expected this post to be about Metamucil vs. the other leading brand of soluble fiber, but I neglected to account for the silly spellings of you Canadian people. [Razz]

Thanks for giving me something on which to ruminate!

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
The only nice thing is going

apt-get update ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade

And having apt tell me it fetched its updates at like. 9MB/s.

Do you use dist-upgrade as a matter of course? I thought that was only needed when changing between releases? </Debian pedant>
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Debian newbie, this may be crap
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As I understand it, upgrade will update existing packages, but won't install new ones.

If the package relationship has changed (eg, package X now depends on Package Y, which it didn't previously) 'upgrade' won't install Y, and package X will be 'kept back' because of the dependency problem, 'dist-upgrade' will install any new packages required to keep the dependency tree kosher.

/me sits patiently waiting for someone who actually knows what they're talking about to point out my mistakes....

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Actually, TFD, that may be right. I've been getting "kept back" messages every so often, and I've just been fixing them by apt-get -f installing the packages in question, then proceeding with the upgrade. Potentially dist-upgrade takes one less step.

/the more you know

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Icon 1 posted October 22, 2004 04:32      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
TFD is exactly right.

dist-upgrade will fetch new packages if they're needed to make a newer version of a currently installed package work. Similarily, it will remove packages that become conflicts due to new versions of already installed software. Apt tends to be very smart about this.

upgrade will only upgrade packages CURRENTLY ON THE SYSTEM and will not upgrade a package if it depends on an uninstalled package.

As such, I use dist-upgrade, because like I said, apt-get is rather smart about its upgrades and hasn't let me down yet. And if a newer version of a program requires some new library I don't already have, so be it. Go get it.

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Oops... wrong thread.

Anyway, Druid is correct. dist-upgrade is what you want if you're tracking testing or unstable.

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Hate to bring it back from 2 days ago, but...

on my CABLE MODEM on which I pay less than 40 USD/month, I can upgrade my debian machines at 2MB/sec.
How much are you paying? [Razz]
(I think I've beaten all of you value-wise)

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
Hate to bring it back from 2 days ago, but...

on my CABLE MODEM on which I pay less than 40 USD/month, I can upgrade my debian machines at 2MB/sec.
How much are you paying? [Razz]
(I think I've beaten all of you value-wise)

Umm, nothing, cause work pays it for me in case I need/want to work from home (would be $60AU worth of ADSL/month) [Razz]
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That's a good price, Tut, but how much are you paying for cable?

Here's my situation: My family had happily survived thus far on dial-up (free, courtesy of my university), but as of 16 September I had to find a new ISP. Currently we're using AOL's free offer (I only run AOL in the background and use Firefox and GAIM as always), but our free 50 days will soon expire. So, I need to consider our alternatives.

I'd like a cable modem 'cause they seem to be priced well, but we don't have cable TV, thus boosting the price (what seems to us) sky-high! I've also heard that cable modems can be rather temperamental. DSL would be fun too, but again, that's rather expensive. Netconex operates in my area, so I'd love to use that, but again, it's rather pricy.

So I guess that relegates me to a traditional dial-up service, but I haven't decided which one to use yet. Maybe I just don't like making decisions? Oy.

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SBC Yahoo has a pretty good deal for your first year of DSL. It's $26.95/month for the first year. And as long as you install it yourself (very easy) you don't have to pay for the modem or materials. Of course $26.95 is for the minimum bandwidth to call itself DSL, but that's still about four times faster than dial-up and you don't have to worry about a second phone line or being kicked off when the phone rings. I've had it for about a year now and it's been pretty good to me.

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Dragon's broadband advice: Stay far, far away from DSL. The headaches of getting connected in the first place, along with the lackluster performance, and shoddy value are all signs that it is not a good deal.

n.b. The above is all based on articles I've read, and first hand experiences of people I know. I have *never* had DSL, nor do I intend to get it (only possible exception: speakeasy.net).

Personally, I've never had significant issues with my cable modem(s)*, and /love/ the speed.

*Due to special offers that are really odd, I have two cable modems, from different promotional offers. If one goes down, I found that it's more likely to work if I connect the other one instead -- and I keep my IP address. Weird, yes - but it works.

P.S. It's Gaim or gaim - other forms of capitalization are incorrect.

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Hmph, if that's so, dman, how come it always saves itself in capital letters? [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Dragon's broadband advice: Stay far, far away from DSL. The headaches of getting connected in the first place, along with the lackluster performance, and shoddy value are all signs that it is not a good deal.

Curious how regional these sorts of things are. Over here, it's DSL that's good value and reasonable performance, and cable was having some issues with performance. Plus cable is only available to people in high demand areas (ie big cities), and it can be difficult to get connected if you live in a block of flats (apartments).

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Hmph, if that's so, dman, how come it always saves itself in capital letters? [Razz]

No clue...never heard of such a thing.

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q1

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
Hate to bring it back from 2 days ago, but...

on my CABLE MODEM on which I pay less than 40 USD/month, I can upgrade my debian machines at 2MB/sec.
How much are you paying? [Razz]
(I think I've beaten all of you value-wise)

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I have a cable connection that I pay about $30 CAD/mo for and a DSL connection that I pay about $20 CAD/mo for.

NEXT! [Wink]

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Dman: DSL has it's place. The thing I can get from my DSL provider (Covad), that I can't have with cable is static IP addresses. I actually have 4, which let's me run a little un-firewalled net on the outside where I have some servers. The static IP also makes it possible for some special purpose holes in the firewall at work to be open just for me.

OTOH, recent experience has pointed out an interesting potential downside to static IPs. A colleague just got his DSL provided to give him a static IP. As soon as that happend, his outgoing mail stopped working to some people. It turns out the previous user of the address was a spammer, so it was in the RBHL. He asked for a new one, and got - another RBLed address!

Still, I ended up with a cable modem as well as DSL. The bulk of the household traffic goes over cable (for speed) and the traffic to work goes over the DSL.

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