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Oz, the Wizard of
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Icon 14 posted January 23, 2004 17:50      Profile for Oz, the Wizard of   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
After an extensive delay, and much lurking, I have 500 posts.

Special thanks...this time...well, Xanthine was quite nice when I unlurked earlier. Thankee.

And where's Skylar? And Twink? Where are you guys?

Weeha.

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*raises hand* I'm still here. They've tried to get rid of me, but I just won't go away. [Wink]

Congratulations!!! Now remember, it's cold outside right now, so all the better to stay in and play on the computer. And when you're on the computer, what better is there to do than post here! [Big Grin]

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Skylar's studying with Indiana Jones and will no doubt star in her own action-adventure pic one day. [Big Grin]
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Aargghh! Double post! Anyway, I did forget to say congrats. [Beard of Peter Gabriel!] [thumbsup]
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Icon 4 posted January 23, 2004 18:27      Profile for Oz, the Wizard of   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You're not kidding about the cold.

And this is mild...

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Icon 1 posted January 23, 2004 19:13      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
That is definitely cold...it hit a cold point here of -2.4 F outside my house last week, and it's 10.0 F out now. Meanwhile, weather.com tells me that it's 52 F in Boulder now *sigh*.

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It's a very pleasant 22C here (72F), I've just come in from reading the paper in the hammock in my back yard.

Smug?
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[Razz]

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Wow, 500 posts? I haven't even made 50! Congrats...

But as for cold, I'll see that -22F and lower you a -39C. Which is, interestingly (or not) enough, also -39F. That's pretty much the extent of my fahrenheit knowledge. It just seems like such a silly system to me, all these odd numbers! Isn't the freezing temperature (for water) somewhere around 30F? I DON'T GET IT!! [Confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by Beth:
But as for cold, I'll see that -22F and lower you a -39C. Which is, interestingly (or not) enough, also -39F. That's pretty much the extent of my fahrenheit knowledge. It just seems like such a silly system to me, all these odd numbers! Isn't the freezing temperature (for water) somewhere around 30F? I DON'T GET IT!! [Confused]

Common Fahrenheit Temperatures You Should Know:

32 Water Freezes
65-77 Standard "Room" temperature
98.6 Human Body Temperature (avg)
180 Hot Coffee
200 McDonalds Coffee
212 Water Boils

Congrats on 500, Oz!!! May the next 500 be just as interesting (and hopefully more frequent!). [Big Grin]

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Is the Farenheit scale set to arbitrary, insane numbers? As a matter of fact, NO, it isn't [Smile] .

Here's the nutty rationale for how the scale came to be, as best as I can remember it (Google will probably get you better answer [Big Grin] ).
As MMKK said above, body temperature is 98.6 F - however, this was not the originally declared value for it. 96 F was considered to be body temperature, and of course 32 F was freezing. If you take the absolute difference between those two numbers, you will get 64 degrees. And therein lies the brilliance - like other measurements of the Imperial system, a measurement device can be marked with reasonable precision, given just two bounds, and subdivided by 2 many times (i.e. 12 inches to the foot, etc.).* If you were to put an unmarked mercury themometer into a bowl of freezing water, and record that point, and then record body temperature (under tongue, or some other way), and mark that point, you can find the midpoint between the two markings, and get 64 F. Then, by systematically putting midpoints between these degree markings, you can fill up the range with temperatures, and based on the scale, you can even go above and beyond this range. And if you're a geek like me, you'll really love these numbers for their rather nice base-2 commonalities [Smile] .

*By the same token, Metric, precise and well defined as it is, loses this quality, and this is why, I've read, contractors in Europe use 120cm pieces of wood as their Metric equivalent to the 2-by-4. The foot is repeatedly divisible by 1,2,3,4,&6 (though not always after certain points), whereas the meter is not very well divisible - you start out with divisibility by 1,2,4,&5, and once you'ved divided it once, your permutations of divisibilty get shot to hell. Case in point: you cut a meter in half -> 50 cm. Now what can you do? Cut it in half -> 25 cm. Great...now you've got a odd number - divide that in half, and you've got a 12.5 cm piece of wood - you want to make the dimensions on a house the precise? Of course, precision measurement utilities could be used on the job, but this is not how all work is commonly done, and it often more of a nuisance than anything.[/rant]

I think Metric is good in many regards, and being a more technically inclined person, I like many of its ideas, and I even think that I'd like to see its adoption in America - nonetheless, I still feel it is worthwhile to consider some of its limitations outside a scientific area.

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I remember back in '70's in grade 3, when Canada converted to metric, we got these little cardbord cubes from Industry Canada; 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. If you filled them with water (hypothetically of course) it would contain exactly 1 litre of water which weighed exactly 1 kilogram.....I thought that was pretty cool.

It had easy stuff to remember. Highway speed: 100 km/hr. Water boils at 100C, freezes at 0C. I still couldn't tell ya how many feet in a mile...2178??

Metric is easy to learn, and coupled with scientic notation it just plain rocks.

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Cap'n: Yeah, those are a bunch of the reasons why I find metric cool too [Smile] . Asking my to calculate ounces/lbs/gallons, or other such stuff is really no fun. Volume is one of those areas in which metric rocks! The base 10 aspect of it is pretty sweet (except for the reasons I mentioned above). Hmm, now all we geeks need is a system defined in base 2 (besides file sizes, of course) [evil] .

And, FWIW: 5,280 ft in a mile [Razz] . The number you gave is probably much closer to a kilometer.

P.S. I noticed I was feeling a little cold in my room - I guess it's no great surprise, as it turns out that it's 66.6 F in here :reallyevil: [Razz] .

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Welcome back Oz! Sticking around this time?

The story I heard about the Fahrenheit scale was Herr Fahrenheit dumped a bunch of salt in water and cooled it until he could get it to freeze. He set that as his zero point. I'm not sure how he scaled the rest though.

I personally am a metric fan, especially in the lab when I have to convert mass and volume units all the damn time. Basing things off of powers of ten makes that infinitely easier, esp. when formula weights convert so easily into grams.

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The version I read was that 0F was the freezing point of sea-water, and 100F was the temperature under the arm of mr Farenheits assistant, who must have been running a bit of a fever at the time, or there was a problem with their lab technique.

As for Dragonmans comments about easy divisibility, that was one of the arguements against adopting decimal currency in the UK, the old pounds-shillings-pence system had
1 pound = 20 shillings
1 shilling = 12 pence
1 pound = 240 pence.

240 divides neatly by 2,3,4,5,6,8,10,12,15,16,20,24.30,40,48,60,80 and 120
and that's not counting the fact that there were coins for fractions of a penny.

100 only divides by 2,4,5,10,20,25 and 50

The babylonians were wise to the same thing, that's why they used 60 as the basis for their units (eg 60 minutes in the hour)

Oddly enough, it's the metric paper units which are 2-based. A sheet of A0 paper is a square metre, with the long edge sqrt(2) longer than the short edge. Cut it in half, and you have 2 sheets of A1, and the 1:sqrt(2) ratio still holds. The same rule aplies to A2,A3,A4,A5.....

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Wait until the world (except the US of course) converts to Metric time.

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That would take some getting used to. Especially if you've got a lock-step circadian rhythm like I do (seriously - I can guess the time to within half an hour, which means I always know how late I am). I could adjust of course, but I've gotten used to feeling the day pass in a cycle of 24 hours, not ten.

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I say we convert to using stardates. It could be worse, on Bajor the day is 26 hours. [Eek!]
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Personally, I think we should all convert to the Discordian calendar

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on a related note, i finally got my copy of the Principia from the US, one whole year after ordering it. borders suck.
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quote:
Originally posted by angryjungman:
Personally, I think we should all convert to the Discordian calendar

Uhhh, that was kinda weird. THough on their clandar my birthday falls on a "holyday", so I guess it's kinda cool.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Uhhh, that was kinda weird.

The thing I really like about it is that every month has the same amount of days. No more having to remember "does this month have 30 or 31 days?" Cause I can never remember that stuff.

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quote:
Originally posted by angryjungman:
Personally, I think we should all convert to the Discordian calendar

Why not do it like the Aztecs did, we have a 360 day year with 12 months having each 30 days and at the end of every year, we have a ~5.25 day long holiday in which we feast, give presents and celebrate the passing of another year, there could be festivities like all the major holidays packed into one long party.

This is just my discontempt with a 1/4 year extra day due to the rotational innacuricies as to our calander. i think it is total a whole 5 hour 7 min 36sec every year that we have extra that eventually adds up to a whole day every fourth year.

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Except when the millenium rolls over. [Razz]

Even the Discordian calendar has to account for that extra day. That's what happens when you try to fit square pegs in round holes.

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If you want all your months to be the same length, you can use 13 months of 28 days apiece, and still have one day left over for your end of year festivities. (One proposal which I saw for this system called it "World Peace Day" or something.)

Having 28-day months would have enormous benefits, because every month would be precisely 4 weeks long. No longer would one have to ask, "Ok, that meeting is on the 12th... what day is that?" With a 28-day month, the 12th would always be the same day of the week, every month, every year.

Leap years and so on would still occur as needed.

Anyway... I don't think this will happen in my lifetime, unless certain terrorist nations (like the one I'm in) manage to destroy civilization and force us to rebuild it all.

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OK. for what reason would you substitute a week long party for a day long celebration.

And arn't you in Ameri.......OH!!!

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