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Mr. Geek 2U
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Icon 1 posted September 10, 2009 19:22      Profile for Mr. Geek 2U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I love America, I truly do.

I love the way Americans can discuss their differences in our Congress with respect and dignity.

So I became very sad when I heard somebody heckle the President of the United States when he addressed Congress. With all the differences our nation has had in our history, it was the first time something like this ever happened.

We are not some terrorist nation that throws shoes at the President of the United States. At least not until now. This is a very sad time.

I cry for my country tonight.

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Icon 1 posted September 10, 2009 20:08      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
At first, I thought 'what's all the fuss about'.

In oz or the UK, a PM can expect to be heckled whenever he stands before the parliament. Sure, calling the PM a liar will get you bounced out of parliament for the rest of the day, but it's not really a big deal.

Then I realized, we're not talking about the London or Canberra, we're talking about Washington, and by merkin tradition, you just don't heckle The President when he's addressing congress.

Ever.

Real Conservatives respect long established institutions and traditions of government, but this noisy rabble who call themselves 'Conservatives' have no respect for anything or anyone but themselves.

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On the bright side, the heckler's political opponent picked up $400,000 in donations in less than 24 hours...

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yea, have you ever seen video of the british parliment in session?

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Unfortunately this is very effective politics, which fits perfectly with the Republican strategy for opposing healthcare reform. From the start I'd guess they realised that a reasoned case for reform is pretty much unanswerable, so their aim has always been to get the signal to noise ratio as low as possible. They ensured that what people remembered about the town hall meetings was angry mobs, and that any exchange of ideas or debate was minimised.

This speech was Obama's attempt to regain the initiative, and set the terms of the discussion. It was one of his best speeches, which sets out with admirable clarity his ideas on this complex issue, and made the moral case as compelling and inspiring as only he can. It was very important to the Republicans that the content of his speech not be discussed, or remembered. Now check out the front pages of two liberal leaning political blogs Huffington Post and Talking Points Memo. It's all about Wilson. Unless your newspapers and TV are reporting this in a more proportionate way, I'd say this is an outstanding success for the Republicans, and the debate is still on their terms. How political reporting always seems to focus on how the noise rather than the signal is one of the recurring themes of Paul Krugman's blog. Here are his latest thoughts on this.

Finally ask yourselves a couple of questions. Do any of you believe Joe Wilson when he said that this was unplanned, and he was momentarily overcome by emotion? Do any of you think that this thread here (which is of course about the noise), does not mean that we too are being played by the Republicans like a violin?

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:

Finally ask yourselves a couple of questions. Do any of you believe Joe Wilson when he said that this was unplanned, and he was momentarily overcome by emotion?

This was acually my initial thought when I read about his outburst ,which was that it was planned. We however will never kow if it was planned or not.

I also wonder if this was his idea or if the GOP asked for a volunteer for a mission.

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Icon 1 posted September 15, 2009 15:34      Profile for Mr. Geek 2U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hello to The Famous Druid and Ashitaka!

It does not surprise me that the English can be rude people. Not at all.

That is how America got started, you know. The English were rude and we had to ask them to leave. Sorry, no tea, coffee here, Mr. English man!

Then to end the American Revolution the English tried to surrender to the French! I mean, holy Freedom Fries, how rude is that?

IS IT AS RUDE AS THIS?

Rude, rude rude is all I can say!

I like Benny Hill and Monty Python, I sure do and even my old Triumph Bonneville when the electrics don't fail. So I mean so offence to any English people here, when I suggest that maybe if you didn't yell at government meetings people would treat little girls better?

What do you think?

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An English comedian once said, (about his trip to the USA)...

The English are more sincere than Americans.

In America, every waitress, barman, and shop assistant is constantly telling you to "Have A Nice Day" - and you know they don't really mean it.

In England, the waiter will tell you to F**K OFF, and you know he means it.

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Icon 1 posted September 16, 2009 16:11      Profile for Mr. Geek 2U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hello The Famous Druid.

That is very funny!

As we say in the U.S.A., "Have a nice day!"

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And a hearty "Have A Nice Day" to you, Chesty.

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While I have no particular desire to defend parliamentary behaviour during Prime Minister's questions, I would note that:

  • The terms of the comparison are not wholly fair. Our PM is not the head of State, unlike the US President, and it is because of this that there is the the convention that the President be accorded respect.
  • If an MP used Mr Wilson's language, the Speaker of the House would stop proceedings, and demand that he retract. If he did not do so he would be ejected from the chamber.
  • I do believe actually that political debate is conducted with more mutual respect here. You would not find for example, opponents of the PM accusing him of instituting a tyranny.

I don't think Mr Geek2U is Chesty. Their posting styles are completely different.

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Hello Mr. Callipygous!

Thank you very much for your information direct from England! Isn't the World Wide Internet wonderful that we can make electricity do that?

It seems like your government is not as rude as Joe Wilson.

Now I am sorry for posting about the waitress and little girl. No offence! It seemed like maybe rude government made rude people!

Maybe that never happens at all!

WELL I DID SAY MAYBE!

I have no comment on the word CRACKER next to the fellow with the mullet hair I will keep my fingers still on that one!

Have a nice day Mr. Callipygous. No offence! I mean that sincere.

Have a nice day, and thank you very much.

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