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quantumfluff
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Icon 1 posted August 25, 2003 07:42      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's ALT MODE, as inscribed on The One True Keyboard - the Teletype ASR 33. Ah, the memories - emtying the chad bin, stupid paper tape tricks, making wind instruments from the empty paper spools....
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Icon 1 posted August 26, 2003 05:17      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, but we all know the real battle is yet to be decided... should CapsLock be above or below the Shift key?

And should the "key that erases the last character you typed" send 0x08 (BS) or 0x7F (DEL)? The world waits with bated breath for the solution to this dilemma!

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Icon 1 posted August 26, 2003 10:00      Profile for Lex   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why is there an Alt vs. Command feud? If you're going to have a Command key, it has to go somewhere. Why not right next to the space bar? Sure, Option/Alt gets shoved over. Or is there another place Command is supposed to go?

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Icon 1 posted August 26, 2003 10:08      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Surely there should be a Greek key, shouldn't there? [Wink]

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Icon 1 posted August 26, 2003 17:37      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
greycat: the answer is obvious. To erase the last character is a two-key sequence, BS (0x08) to back up the paper tape one spot, and then RUBOUT (0x7f) to erase the mark. This, of course, is why DEL is 0x7F, rather than in the sub 32 range like all the other control characters.

Oh, and CapsLock is an abomination that should never appear on a keyboard.

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Icon 11 posted August 26, 2003 23:12      Profile for GeekAvenger   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Shudder...

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Icon 1 posted August 27, 2003 04:22      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS LOCK???

In all seriousness though.... What ever happened to META? Why is most of the world using a QWERTY Keyboarod? Where can I get a cheap Dvorak keyboard, and how fast will take me to learn to type with it?

Then we have the TAB war... Are real TABs in a document or code good or evil?

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I'm with spungo- we need some greek. I was inputting data to a program the other day (reference manager 7 in case anyone is interested) and I hit the window button for greek. Anyone care to guess what I couldn't type?

I couldn't get a gamma. Alpha, beta, theta, pi, delta, epsilon, omega. No gamma. I was stupified by the appaling design. So I wrote g-a-m-m-a and got on with my life.

I don't suppose any academic geeks know of any refman -> bibtex translators?

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Icon 1 posted August 27, 2003 05:10      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
(Err... I was just being a facetious git... this is Greek key. [Wink] )

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Icon 1 posted September 05, 2003 21:39      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by greycat:
Yeah, but we all know the real battle is yet to be decided... should CapsLock be above or below the Shift key?

It should be to the left of the shift key, about 4 metres to the left, in the desk drawer, in a little box with the broken rubber bands.

Honestly, I'd happily pay extra for a keyboard without that fscking annoying key. I've _never_ wanted to actually use it as a caps lock. In the old DOS days, I wrote a little interrupt handler that trapped it, and turned it into another shift key, but I've never got around to doing the same for Windoze. Anyone know of such a utility?

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dragonman97 told me a while ago about something he wrote that turned, I think, the scroll lock light into a network activity light.

I do sometimes use caps lock if I need to type a sequence of capitals, but I have personally no use for scroll lock or num lock, so that would free up two lights - I personally want to differentiate between incoming and outgoing network traffic, something my cable modem is not too hot on (despite having both lights, when some don't). Anyone who uses none, can get three lights to play with.

In Linux, caps lock could become a compose key - something dman also mentioned, I think. Or a meta key. Or anything - hide current window. Maybe it could accept modifiers. Same with num lock and scroll lock.

So much potential :)

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There is one legitimit use for capslock!

HTML

Can you imagine having to write a web page holding down the shift key the whole time? [Eek!] [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted September 05, 2003 23:16      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
dragonman97 told me a while ago about something he wrote that turned, I think, the scroll lock light into a network activity light.

Whoa there, that's credit where none is due. I did *not* write that software - I found it on freshmeat. I believe it is called 'ifled.'

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Icon 1 posted September 05, 2003 23:20      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Caps lock is *evil*. It should either be:
a) Banished
b) Turned into another shift key
c) Turned into a control key
d) Mapped to Enter for when RSI plagues me (put more work on my left pinky)
e) Mapped to Escape so I don't have to reach all the way Up North when using vi.

Presently, I'm using a reg. hack on Win2k to make F13 on my Apple Pro Kbd to PrintScreen, so I think other keys could be remapped as well the same way. Of course, I don't have any such bookmarks/info on my Debian laptop [Smile] .

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Icon 1 posted September 06, 2003 09:28      Profile for Lex   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by GeekAvenger:
There is one legitimit use for capslock!

HTML

Can you imagine having to write a web page holding down the shift key the whole time? [Eek!] [Big Grin]

No. HTML isn't case sensitive. You can write it all in lower case.

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and isn't xhtml all lower case?
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you are correct, sir.

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... or madam.
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Icon 1 posted September 08, 2003 10:57      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think I am one of the few people around here who actually uses CapsLock with any degree of regularity. Sometimes I have to type a sequence by hand (as opposed to good 'ole cut and paste), either for my personal records, a slide, or to run a BLAST search (and believe me, typing in a >50 bp sequence WITHOUT screwing up into the BLAST search form is a real PITA). Since the convention is the abbrevitations are capitalized, I use capslock to free up the finger that would otherwise be sitting on the shift key. But I think it should defineitely be moved to someplace less accessible, like were the tilde is.

I like to use numberlock because I like to use the number pad. I have yet to see scroll lock do anything useful, but dman told me to try it in SSH.

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I use the CAPs lock key on occasions, too. Mind you, it's completely accidental. Ever seen the funny random results that you get when you've accidentally hit caps lock while in command mode in vi ? [crazy]
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Kind of, but not really. I always forget to hit i or a to add text, then type a sentance and wonder what has gone wrong. Sometimes vi is a bit too powerful for its own good!
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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
I use the CAPs lock key on occasions, too. Mind you, it's completely accidental. Ever seen the funny random results that you get when you've accidentally hit caps lock while in command mode in vi ? [crazy]

Reminds me of the game you could play in teco, try to guess what will happen when you type in your name.

For the benefit of the uninitiated, teco was a very powerful editor on DEC machines, which, among other things, allowed you to mount a hard disk as a raw device for edit. Playing around in teco was very dangerous

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Playing with TECO was not dangerous. You just had to know how to use it. Not that I'ld go back, of course.
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