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The Famous Druid

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 07:08      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I found myself with an hour to kill tonight, and there was an electronics store nearby, so like any good geek I went and wandered around, hypnotized by all the blinkenlitz.

I've been thinking of getting some speakers to attach to the TV, something a bit better than the crappy built-in speakers most TVs have. I was thinking of spending maybe $300-500.

Of course a salesman latched onto me and did his best to convince me to spend more, demonstrating a rather nice setup that carried a $1400 price-tag. I listened to his spiel, went ooooh! aaaahhhh! at all the appropriate points in the demo, and then when it was time to go I said "Can you write down the details of this and I'll talk it over with the missus"

So he got a note pad and started writing... "amp, speakers, you'll need a cable for the sub-woofer, and more for this, that, and the other..."


Total cost of the cables for a $1400 sound system?

$690

That included $250 for a HDMI cable (the last one I bought cost $10, and it works fine), $120 for a special cable to the sub-woofer, and $180 for a 4-outlet powerboard that had some magical properties that make the music sound better

Un-be-frakkin-lievable!

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MacManKrisK

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 07:19      Profile for MacManKrisK     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
That's 49% of the overall cost in cables! I'd imagine he was selling you all Monster Cable cables or some similarly crazilly overpriced brand name.

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littlefish
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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 08:13      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Was he also trying to sell you things to keep them off the floor? If you aren't using cable elevators then all of the music will leak out through osmosis.
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MacManKrisK

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Icon 11 posted May 21, 2010 09:11      Profile for MacManKrisK     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
[Eek!]

littlefish: is this for real?! *sigh* autophiles...

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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 11:05      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
____ TFD, Please bend over and assume the position, this won't hurt a bit. Pure BS + more BS. Go to a good hardware store and look at what we in the USA call zip cord. Molded wires they can be bought in various gauges. The smaller the number the larger the conductor, you would not need any thing bigger than 12/14. While you are examining the zip cord notice that one conductor has ribs on its insulation the other one does not, that is a polarity mark like red and black. Depending on the amplifier the subwoofer may need 10/12 but I think that would be over kill.

____ Just hooking up decent speakers to your present system will give you much better sound, the rest is only to pay for his weekend with his squeeze.

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Benjamin Franklin,

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 11:06      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
WTF?

No, seriously, WTF??

Are these people not aware that their cable is already insulated??

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Ashitaka

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 12:00      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I bought serial connector pc cable for $200 last week. Well my company did ( I ordered it). The last one died and caused a $300,000 peice of equipment to turn itself off, which was really bad. I have no idea what happened but I am betting the old cable was not insulated well enough. I would pay ten times as much for a cable to be garunteed not to have tis problem again.(tubro pump on an MS system turned itself off for those curious).

The funny thing is the cable had written on it, "lifetime garuntee" 100 % moeny back if not satisfied. But you know, by then it was too late, thier really expensive cabel failed, and I will never order a cable from that company again. ( sorry, I don't remember what company it was, I think the web address froma refund was .co.uk.)

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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 13:08      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
____ I have heard of some audio stores offering a speaker break in service, and of course breaking in your cables. WTF you have to teach the wires how to conduct the electrons? Speakers are best when Virgin and start getting less faithful from then on, why should I pay for some one to wear out my speakers?

____ TFD just buy quality speakers and make a trip to the hard ware store for some good zip cord and still have better sound and a heavier wallet. I do not like to lighten the wallet.

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Benjamin Franklin,

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 13:30      Profile for Venture   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I hate pushy salesmen, grr! I bought all the stuff for my system in pieces while they were on sale for being last years model.
Sony reciever 1000 watts $300
Bose 301s $250
Polk 12" sub $100

most of the cables I already had. except the woofer cable.

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dragonman97

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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 16:57      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
TFD: Show the sales guy this and see if he changes his tune:
http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger

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quantumfluff
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Icon 1 posted May 21, 2010 19:25      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
We've all seen the Monster Cable idiocy before. All I can say is "Tubes Rock"
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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted May 22, 2010 01:30      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
____ Tubes Do Rock, My latest transmitter is all tube, well except for the balanced modulator but that is only four Germanium Diodes. Tubes are nice for transmitters because they can handle antenna mismatch better than Solid State. Look up the Central Electronics 20A, nice solid little transmitter for working barefoot.

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Benjamin Franklin,

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