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spungo
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Icon 1 posted November 10, 2005 09:42      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anyone been following this story? Apparently some folk at the UN had been mumbling that domain name control and such like should be handed over to the UN, instead of being the toy of the US - basically it's a symbolic argument over rightful ownership of the internet itself.

Personally, I think the UN should f**k off and mind their own business. Can you imagine what kind of mess they'd make of things - if they ever agreed to do anything at all? As far as I can tell it's the US that's allowed the rest of the world to join in on the system that they basically set up themselves, and it's bang out of order for the UN to say that it doesn't belong to them anymore.

I'm quite happy with things as they are. There. Rant over. Sorry 'bout that.

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I don't know if the UN should have control, but I can't think of any other independent body that could -- perhaps some sort of international committee could be formed.

I don't like the idea of the Internet being in the control of the country that's run by a fucking baboon.

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quote:
As far as I can tell it's the US that's allowed the rest of the world to join in on the system that they basically set up themselves
This is true as far as it goes, but we shouldn't confuse the US allowing people to buy into the internet because it suited the US, with philanthropy. Now that most of the world is dependent on the internet the US can attempt any of the following
1) Assume control of the internet for political ends.
2) Assume control of the internet for economic ends.
3) Deny access to the internet to those countries that are "non-aligned" with the US.
4) Coerce countries into political/ economic changes which further US policies.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
Anyone been following this story? Apparently some folk at the UN had been mumbling that domain name control and such like should be handed over to the UN, instead of being the toy of the US - basically it's a symbolic argument over rightful ownership of the internet itself.

Personally, I think the UN should f**k off and mind their own business. Can you imagine what kind of mess they'd make of things - if they ever agreed to do anything at all? As far as I can tell it's the US that's allowed the rest of the world to join in on the system that they basically set up themselves, and it's bang out of order for the UN to say that it doesn't belong to them anymore.

I'm quite happy with things as they are. There. Rant over. Sorry 'bout that.

Well said, mate. I only hope that message is reasonably clear in the upcoming WSIS meeting.

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Icon 1 posted November 10, 2005 15:41      Profile for ChildeRoland     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
I don't know if the UN should have control, but I can't think of any other independent body that could -- perhaps some sort of international committee could be formed.

I don't like the idea of the Internet being in the control of the country that's run by a fucking baboon.

1. The USA is not run by a baboon. It is run by LOTS of baboons.

2. The USA does not run the internet. Some of the companies that are most influential in the internet happen to fall within its borders--and are therefore subject to its laws--but when have you ever heard of the government here trying to censor them?

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Originally posted by ChildeRoland:
2. The USA does not run the internet. Some of the companies that are most influential in the internet happen to fall within its borders--and are therefore subject to its laws--but when have you ever heard of the government here trying to censor them?

Actually, one of the major issues here is control of the root servers. That is, the thing that makes .com exist and resolve on the Internet. Tehnically, the US Dept. of Commerce oversees its operations.

Here's some reading material:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1833904,00.asp
http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_un_threat_to_the_net/
http://www.circleid.com/posts/questioning_the_illusion_of_internet_governance/

I have no reason to believe the US gov't will try to do anything stupid with DNS because of political reasons. The Internet as we know it is largely run and influenced by the capitalistic environment we live in here, and it's the free market, not politicians, that will say what changes and why (for the most part). OTOH, look at the Great Firewall of China, or the ridiculous joke that is North Korea. Do you *really* want the UN, and its members (with their varying political stands), to extend their influence to this system that we, international members of the Internet community, rely upon? I certainly don't.

George Bush doesn't run the Internet. The operators here (http://www.root-servers.org/) do, along with all the ISPs of the world, and all the respective sysadmins of the servers/systems internetworked via it. In a small way, you all run the Internet. [Smile] (There would be no market for the Internet as we know it without actual users. [Razz] )

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Well said, DMan. The UN is more likely to make the foolish mistake of trying to exercise control over domain names than those currently responsible for them.

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I don't want to necropost, but I think this is relevant news:
http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2005/11/newsweek-interview-vint-cerf-on-wsis.html

Full story:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10117471/site/newsweek/

Key quote:
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Critics say the U.S. government basically controls the Internet.
That's bulls—t. I'm sorry, I'm not supposed to say that to reporters, but that's just a very bad misunderstanding. Ninety-nine percent of the Internet is in private hands. If you've got a computer at home, and a cable box or DSL line, you own a piece of the Internet. Most of the Internet is owned by the private sector, by businesses, by ISPs, by individuals, by governments—well, that's not [the] private sector, but it's not ICANN either and it's not the United States.

Ladies and gentlemen, that was from Vint Cerf, the father of the Internet.

BTW, the result of this great debate: Everything will stay as is, and a 'global internet forum' (paraphrased?) will be formed to discuss 'issues.' Everyone may go back to their regularly scheduled lives. [Smile]

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