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I'm going to rant now, and knowing the nature of you folks, this probably will not be a popular rant, but I figure it is the best place to put this that I know of. Anyway, I apologize in advance.

I hear a lot of cyclists claim that motorists do not pay enough attention to cyclists on the road, and I'm sure it is true. But I see tons of cyclists who flat out ignore the rules of the road. Today, I almost hit a cyclist that blew a stop sign and came out of a side street right in front of me. And a few weeks ago, I saw a cyclist get hit by a car because the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road and flew through a red light.

I'd really rather not kill you because you aren't following the rules.

BTW, I have nothing against cyclists in general, in fact, does anyone know where I can get a cheap roadbike in the Seattle area?

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There's a bike exchange place somewhere around Fremont, I think (Re-Cycle or something like that...don't ask me, I don't live in Seattle anymore...). There's also Second Ascents in Ballard if you want a step up from that. They've got lots of used shit, from climbing gear to bikes, and it's all in good shape. You can also comb the bulletin boards for moving sales at the UW.

Craigslist is also helpful. [Razz]

As far as hitting cyclists goes, yeah, I agree, we bikers have to take some responsibility for being visible and somewhat predictable. I've already torn my siblings' heads off about that. Stop signs and stop lights are annoying on a bike, especially if you're going up a hill, but few enough people watch for cars doing illegal things, let alone bikes breaking laws (or bikes in general). My own approach is to follow the traffic laws and assume noone in a metal box can see me.

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The safe assumption is that there's idiots out there using every method of transportation available.

There's stupid bikers, rollerbladers, walkers, runners, drivers, etc.

Be prepared to deal with all of their stupidity.

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"The pedestrian I almost killed today."

Well, not today, because the bike hasn't been moved out to the new place yet, but I've rolled over more designer shoes while flying down Newbury Street (rich kid central). Stupid people stepping out from between parked cars, without looking, on their cell phones, being idiots. [Mad]

Yeah, we're supposed to be careful. I usually am. Stop lights are respected, until I take a good long look and realize that nobody's coming down the road I'm crossing. Weaving through traffic without turn signals (and let's face it, hand signals throw your balance) is tougher for you car folks to comprehend, though.

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Yeah, we get lots of idiot cyclists here where I live too. The thing I notice most is that they obey regular traffic laws when it suits them, but when they're an inconvenience, the stupid cyclists (as in the cyclists that are stupid, not them thur stupid cyclists) ignore regular traffic laws.

The sad thing is that we even have bike lanes on most roads here and many bicyclists still ignore traffic laws. They also tend to right as close to the motorized vehicle lane as possible, so even though they have their own lane you still have to swerve out to the left or you get uncomfortably close to them.

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You should see those "hip and cool" bikers / cyclists in downtown Chicago (or anywhere in Chicago for that matter)! Some of them can't cross streets for crap, and most of them refuse to stay in their special bike lines, therefore endangering their lives just to get in front of cars and whatnot.

The city should really start a license program for these nuts.

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When I was a regular cyclist (a dodgy knee unfortunately has put a stop to that) I often heard this sort of remark, along with the opinion that since I paid no tax on petrol or my cycle, I had no real right to use public roads at all.

But what irks me most about remarks like this is that, yes sure there are some reckless cyclists who ignore all traffic laws, but there are far more bad drivers, and cyclists do not have a protective tin box around them. I cannot count the number of times cars overtook me with only a fraction of an inch to spare leaving me wobbling in their slipstream, or forced me completely off the road. In general when this happened they were smugly unaware that they had done anything wrong at all.

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Thing is, it's not just the gas taxes that fund roads... If drivers are that pissy about it then they can just lobby to have a tax put on chain lube and bike parts. Or they can get it through their heads that bicycles are, under the law, vehicles and bikers are subject to the same rights and priviledges they are.

Maybe we should license pedestrians too. I almost nailed one a while back who thought it was a good idea to walk in the biker lanes on a fairly popular path. She did the deer in the headlights thing and since there was an oncoming biker in the next lane over I had to both yell at her and take some really hairy evasive action. [Roll Eyes] Or how about all the people who yap on their cellphones so much or turn their iPod volume up so high that even when you yell "Passing left" or "Coming up behind" or "Passing between" they don't hear you and have to get tugged away by their freaked out buddies who think you're about to mow them down. :/

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Thing is, it's not just the gas taxes that fund roads... If drivers are that pissy about it then they can just lobby to have a tax put on chain lube and bike parts. Or they can get it through their heads that bicycles are, under the law, vehicles and bikers are subject to the same rights and priviledges they are.

Maybe we should license pedestrians too. I almost nailed one a while back who thought it was a good idea to walk in the biker lanes on a fairly popular path. She did the deer in the headlights thing and since there was an oncoming biker in the next lane over I had to both yell at her and take some really hairy evasive action. [Roll Eyes] Or how about all the people who yap on their cellphones so much or turn their iPod volume up so high that even when you yell "Passing left" or "Coming up behind" or "Passing between" they don't hear you and have to get tugged away by their freaked out buddies who think you're about to mow them down. :/

While you may be sarcastic, X, I think those are all excellent ideas.

Especially the one about the cell-phones... I don't talk on my cellphone in my truck, not only because I believe it's wrong, but also because my truck really needs a front-end alignment, so it really drifts towards the right as soon as you take your hand off the wheel. This wouldn't be problem except for the fact that I always have to keep a hand on my shifter (I have a man tranny), and I'm simply not coordinated to hold onto a steering wheel, talk on a phone, and shift all at the same time.

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Talking on cellphones whilst driving is illegal here in the UK.

Fixed penalty fine (60UKP i think and 3 points on your license - points last 5 years and 12 points is disqualification).

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quote:
Nerdwithnofriends wrote:

I have a man tranny

Hmmm... I've heard about people like you on the internet.
Never thought they were real though [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Serenak:
Talking on cellphones whilst driving is illegal here in the UK.

Fixed penalty fine (60UKP i think and 3 points on your license - points last 5 years and 12 points is disqualification).

It's also illegal in New York City, not sure about the fines, any Yankees here that know?

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Thing is, it's not just the gas taxes that fund roads...

Actually, here in oz the fuel taxes are quite a bit higher than total road funding, but that's no excuse for some motorists acting like homicidal maniacs.

Or they can get it through their heads that bicycles are, under the law, vehicles and bikers are subject to the same rights and priviledges they are.

Here here !

I gave up regular cycling because I was sick of near-death experiences caused by the the 1 in 5 motorists who just act like it's the cyclists job to stay out of the way of cars, and the 1 in 500 who act like it's their sacred duty to rid the roads of cyclists.

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quote:
It's also illegal in New York City, not sure about the fines, any Yankees here that know?
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The Maryland proposal would levy a fine, but not be a "points" violation on the driver's record. The first offense in New York would be punishable by a fine of between $25 and $100, while a second offense within 18 months would cost $100 to $300.
Found it here

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While there are no specific laws here in Ontario (yet) about driving while talking on the cell phone, if a cop wants to be an ass about it he can give you a ticket for careless driving for not having full and due care and control of the vehicle while operating it.
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfVast:
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Nerdwithnofriends wrote:

I have a man tranny

Hmmm... I've heard about people like you on the internet.
Never thought they were real though [Razz]

I was waiting for someone to notice that... I honestly don't know where the last three letters of 'manual' went. Perhaps Loki looks upon me disfavorably...

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quote:
Originally posted by nerdwithnofriends:
quote:
Originally posted by HalfVast:
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Nerdwithnofriends wrote:

I have a man tranny

Hmmm... I've heard about people like you on the internet.
Never thought they were real though [Razz]

I was waiting for someone to notice that... I honestly don't know where the last three letters of 'manual' went. Perhaps Loki looks upon me disfavorably...
Maybe Loki likes trannies.
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Trannies... [drunkennewf]midgets... what the hell kind of forum is this, anyways? [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by nerdwithnofriends:
Trannies... [drunkennewf]midgets... what the hell kind of forum is this, anyways? [Razz]

Well what'd you expect? This is the intarweb, after all. [Wink]

on another note.. I watched a woman on her bicycle yesterday go right through a red light. In the midst of a LOT of traffic. Myself, who was turning left, and another guy in a nice new Chrysler 300M had to slam on our brakes so as not to smoke her as she went against the light. We both laid into our horns, and she just waved at us like, "oops, I'm dumb, oh well, la la la."

Unbelievable.

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quote:
Originally posted by nerdwithnofriends:
Trannies... [drunkennewf]midgets... what the hell kind of forum is this, anyways? [Razz]

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I used to deliver medical equipment in the U.C. Davis (California) area. The cyclists (because the city council passed a law) believed that they always and at all times had the right of way over any approaching vehicles. Now, picture me trying to stop a heavy-duty van filled with several hundred gallons of liquid oxygen on a dime before I squashed one of those little bugs...


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Twisted around my rear axle...

BTW...Here's a great mathmatical formula for figuring out who has the right-of-way: take your vehicle weight (plus passengers and cargo) and multiply it by your current speed. Now, do the same for any approaching vehicle, accounting for any curves, slopes, etc. If their number is greater, you might want to consider not pulling out in front of them !

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I'm sure of it, that 100% off all the lunatic bicyclists are former lunatic automobile drivers who lost their licenses. Left with no metal to protect them, Darwinism soon has its way.

Well, I'm sure I like to think that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
I'm sure of it, that 100% off all the lunatic bicyclists are former lunatic automobile drivers who lost their licenses. Left with no metal to protect them, Darwinism soon has its way.

Well, I'm sure I like to think that.

CP

... that's an interesting take, and I wish you were right.
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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
I'm sure of it, that 100% off all the lunatic bicyclists are former lunatic automobile drivers who lost their licenses. Left with no metal to protect them, Darwinism soon has its way.

Well, I'm sure I like to think that.

CP

That could be the case for some. Except bicycle couriers, who are the most lunatic cyclists I've ever seen, in general (and that's coming from a cyclist, albeit a non loony one, I hope).

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Hi Folks - this seems to be a complex topic, but I have an idea that may help. I have been a regular commuting cyclist, and now I am a regular motorist. My idea is simply this - instead of differentiating between pedestrians, cyclists, car drivers etc, simply divide all road users into the following groups:
1) people who behave correctly, they are no problem.
2) people who make a mistake on the road, cut them a bit of slack and be forgiving
3)people who do stupid things on purpose- squash 'em FLAT

Now, how do we get this made legal?

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