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drunkennewfiemidget
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Icon 1 posted October 04, 2004 08:03      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Don't get me wrong, I'm a google fan, and I've loved it for quite some time. It's the best search engine I've used by far.

But I'm finding as of recently, the results I'm getting from it are more and more useless.

Perhaps my searches are changing, too.

I mean, I can search for some things and know that i can consistently get them every time.

At the same time, other things I search for are getting me some really useless results.

I'm not going to get more specific, as this post is supposed to be a generalised rant as to google's usefulness.

Is anyone else noticing google's helpfulness decreasing?

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dragonman97

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Icon 1 posted October 04, 2004 08:11      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, a colleague of mine and I are strugging these days in finding useful information about Windows executable names that we are suspicious of, as everyone and their brother is posting HiJackThis logs, and no one is contributing useful information in them [Frown] .

Other than that, I'm not having any significant issues with it.

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Icon 1 posted October 04, 2004 09:08      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
For technical/scientific documentations, I've found Teoma to be way better than Google.

But yes, I think you're right. I guess some people have found how to fool Google's ratings, as I've found many porno sites to rank high while searching info for mangas or other popular subjects.

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Icon 1 posted October 04, 2004 19:12      Profile for Groggle     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I find it depends on what kind of search I'm doing. Raw "keyword" searches aren't too bad (although, as Stereo points out, some subjects have been taken over by the porn sites)

What I've found is that the search engine world as a whole doesn't have is what I'd call semantic searches. (even "askjeeves", which purports to be somewhat semantic isn't really that useful)

Lately, I've found myself doing a lot of "something like 'x'" searches, and have come up mostly blanks.

Of course, the first thing that needs to change is the notion of a search engine as little more than a fancy dictionary. When the search engines start digging for 'meaning', then they'll be a lot more useful to me.

Until then, the Internet remains stubbornly bound by Sturgeon's Law: 80% of everything is crap. (ref. Theodore Sturgeon, sci-fi writer)

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drunkennewfiemidget
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Icon 1 posted October 05, 2004 06:47      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
80%? Not on the Internet. I'd say more like

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

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Wow, I thought I was the only person to notice Google's quality degrading in recent months. Google worked great when there was no Google-bombing or pressure to make your website the first hit. Google's still better than most, but I've found ask.com to be better for images. Also, I've found that Google's ranking system often gives high priority to forums, I'm not quite sure why though...

Groggle: ever heard of kurzweilai.net ? Interesting little website my friend showed me a long time ago...

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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2004 06:04      Profile for Alephcat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
An interesting little piece from the BBC which demonstrates the uselessness of search engines.

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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2004 09:31      Profile for Spiderman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Well, a colleague of mine and I are strugging these days in finding useful information about Windows executable names that we are suspicious of, as everyone and their brother is posting HiJackThis logs, and no one is contributing useful information in them [Frown] .

Yes, my recent experience with Google searches for process information has been exactly as you described.

I was contemplating starting up some sort of user-contributed centralized executable information database but it seems that someone has beat me to it, http://www.processlibrary.com

I haven't really used it much so I'm not sure how comprehensive/accurate the site is but it looks like it could be useful.

It doesn't seem to help though with those extremely annoying seemingly mutating/polymorphic filenames attached to some equally annoying spyware [ohwell]

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Sturgeon's Law is "Ninety percent of everything is crap." (Google also shows "crud" as the final word in some versions... but it's always been 90%.)
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