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Icon 1 posted September 07, 2011 09:06      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I am thinking about going for a masters degree when I move to Vermont. There are no research phama companies in the area and I want to do something that keeps my mind fresh.

The only thing is I cannot decide if I want to do my masters in Chemistry or something else. ( my B.S: is in chemistry)

Your thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. You don't have to read my whole post to comment, I am just being thourough.

If I did my masters in chemistry (specifically analytical chemistry):
I would have to study a lot just to meet the entrance requirements ( its been 7+ years since I was in college. They want that I pass the ACS exams in analytical chemistry (easy) ,organic ( needs studying) and inorganic( needs studying) and physical chemistry ( yikes)

Afterwards I would be qualified to have the job I have right now ( most everyon in my current position has a M.A or a PhD in chemistry. I am the only one (out of five) in my position with only a B.S: in chemistry. Most of the people under me have a M.A. in chemistry.


I might like to get an M.A: in german literature.



I unfortunately don’t meet their (stupid) requirements. The one requirement being a B.A: in German literature. I want to talk to the chair of the department to get this waived. I have a lot of good reasons why.

Part 1)

I Speak and read fluent German, and understand some dialects.

I would like to study the influence of the great German scientists of the late 19th century early 20th century on the german language.

Bachelors in chemistry ( German chemists/scientists brought many to study the German language late 19th century.)

I bring a would bring a new perspective to your department, because you require a B.A. in German, I think my education in science would bring a new perspective in the analytical reasoning employed in literature dissection in my writings and in discussions in class.

Having all the people in your program from similar backgrounds with similar prospects for the future( B.A.s who will go into education), I would bring unique and

Part 2)

I am leaving my job and moving to the area because my wife has found a job in Burlington. I however, as a R&D chemist have frew job opportunities in the region as there are no private pharmaceutical research companies in the area.

I studied chemistry not only because of my interest in the natural sciences but because of the job prospects chemistry supplies. Now that I am older and have the financial ability to choose a subject of study purely for scholastic reasons, I am interested in greatly broadening my education rather than specializing even more in a narrow specific field of chemistry.

I have not stopped learning since leaving university, taking courses first in German ( to the Goethe Institute C1 level) French ( basic knowledge) and Arabic( basic knowledge).

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More:
It is important what that these people wrote in german and that it influenced the world.

a student who has a B.A. in German, may ( will probably) shy away from writing a thesis on the writings of the great German scientists ( Bohr, Max Born, Werner Heisenberg, Werner Heisenberg, Schrödinger) because they never had the opportunity to take university level coursework in what these great men wrote about. Your list of M.A. thesis has no thesis on the writings of the great German scientists and their contribution to the German language. I, as am scientist, I would like to go into this area, but will also not shy away from learning about the more “traditional” aspects of the study of German literature ( Frederick Schiller, Max Frisch and other famous German authors.


plus, I have to look after my daughter and put her in day care when I am in class.

If I studied chemistry, there would be endless ours of research in the lab, but if I did german lit. my endless ours of study would be reading, which could be done at home while looking after my daughter.

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My SO (wife? That's weird to type) is in a vaguely similar situation. She's working in a lab with a BSc where everyone else has at least an MSc, but doesn't want to do a masters herself at the moment because of the lab hours requirement meaning that she won't be able to keep working to support herself (I'm no use on that front as I'm a dirty student again, chasing my third Mx). This doesn't offer any insight into how to handle your situation however...

It sounds like you should be able to get on the chemistry masters easily - although there's some revision to do, it should come back to you easily on the second time around, and the industrial experience would count for a lot. Childcare is manageable, and lab work must be enjoyable at least for you to be considering it, even if it isn't chilling out at home.

So the question is why are you considering chemistry? If it's to further your career and/or because you still dig it, then it's the obvious choice. But if you're considering the chemistry masters because you're looking purely for something stimulating and because you've already got a degree in it so you just think that you "should", then go for the german masters. If you're learning just for the sake of learning, you might find a chemistry masters a bit of a busman's holiday rather than fun.

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If it were me - I would probably be going the chemistry route - but that is for me.

Being able to do your work while watching your daughter has appeal. A lot of appeal! However, make sure that your personality is such that you can study with the interruptions every couple of minutes. And/or that your daughter will be able to leave you alone for "long" periods of time - say 10 minutes

So what do you want to do with the knowledge? Is it to study just for the sake of learning? Is it to also be able to later get a better job or have a better chance of getting a job?

Good luck with your decision process!

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well, it would be learing for the sake of learning, mostly. I like my job that I have now and would need a PhD to advance in my field anyways, which would take too much time, cost to much, and be too difficult.

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if you are doing it just for fun, then there is no need to register on a course. You can just read, or if you feel you must register, you could do a correspondence course. Have you considered the open university? They even run PhDs if you fancy it, although I'm not sure how viable that is outside the uk for experimental chemistry. I'm sure they would allow German literature though.

Another possibility woukd be computational chemistry, but from your description of physical chemistry, I guess that is not your interest.

Finally, you seem to think that a doctorate is more difficult intellectually to achieve than a masters. In my opinion, that just is not so. The only difference between a research masters and a doctorate is that a PhD takes longer. Most universities, in the uk at least, will allow part time study for research, so you can fit it in with the other demands of your life.

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my aprehension about a phD is the amount of time it would take. I plan to move back to switzerland in 3 years and I would want to be done by then.

THe open university idea is interesting, but I think I would do better if I am enrolled in courses. I like discussion with my proffesors and other students.

I came up with this idea just a few days ago and I am still trying to decide if I want to do somehtign that could help my career or just something that I find really intersting.

Right now I am leaning towards getting a masters in pharmacology. which would be a move away from analytical chemistry, but not that far, and it would help my career. ( I wouldn't want to work as a pharmacist, I would work as a QP for a pharma company, for those of you who know what that job would be.)

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Several reactions:

1. Your English writing is not up to par. I suggest plenty of revisions/drafts before submitting your request to the university. You will have a better chance of being accepted for German study if you present yourself well in English. (There are plenty of grammar geeks and gurus here who would gladly help you out, I'm sure.)
2. How do you know that you'll be in the US for only three years?
3. Since you have your daughter to consider, have you looked into doing grad work online? That way, even if you move sooner/later, you can take your work with you. I recommend www.luonline.com.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
well, it would be learing for the sake of learning, mostly. I like my job that I have now and would need a PhD to advance in my field anyways, which would take too much time, cost to much, and be too difficult.

Um, a PhD in chemistry costs nothing in terms of $$. It can be pretty pricey in terms of everything else, but if you stay away from organic synthesis labs you will be able to go home before 10 pm most nights.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
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Originally posted by Ashitaka:

Um, a PhD in chemistry costs nothing in terms of $$. It can be pretty pricey in terms of everything else, but if you stay away from organic synthesis labs you will be able to go home before 10 pm most nights.
exactly, If I go for chemistry, I will have to spend countless hours in the lab, during which I have to pay someone to watch my daughter. If I do somethign else, I probably only have to go to class. Sometimes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Several reactions:

1. Your English writing is not up to par. I suggest plenty of revisions/drafts before submitting your request to the university. You will have a better chance of being accepted for German study if you present yourself well in English. (There are plenty of grammar geeks and gurus here who would gladly help you out, I'm sure.)
2. How do you know that you'll be in the US for only three years?
3. Since you have your daughter to consider, have you looked into doing grad work online? That way, even if you move sooner/later, you can take your work with you. I recommend www.luonline.com.

Um, a PhD in chemistry costs nothing in terms of $$. It can be pretty pricey in terms of everything else, but if you stay away from organic synthesis labs you will be able to go home before 10 pm most nights. [/qb][/QUOTE]I am not worried about my english abilities. I got a GRE prep test and breezed through it. I correct teh english in about a dozen journal articles every year that are accepted. ( I am the only native english speaker in my department.) Aslo, why shoudl they care if I am studing german. THe entirety of all courses for a masters in german lit. is taught in german. They should would be more concerned in how wel I speak german. And since I know peple in the US who have graduated with a degree in german ( my sister) I I know I speak german much better than most. I agree, my germen writing will need lots of work sonce I don't write in german much.

THough I must say, after a wekk of thought on the matter, I am leaning towards a M.S. in Pharmacology (what drugs do once they enter the body).

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