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Fluffo
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Newbie Question: What makes Mac better than Windows? [crazy]
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http://www.apple.com/switch/

Should answer lots of things for you.

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lol...nothing....


okok...to be serious...depends on what your doing...macs have a hell of a lot more colors...good for graphics editing and creative stuff like that...windows...games...bout it really...as for myself i prefer linux...however i do have that gaming side in me so i do have a linux and an xp machine...hope that helped

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I want to hear from you guys why you think Macs are better than Windows?
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/me readies a can of troll-be-gone

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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2004 23:03      Profile for TMBWITW,PB     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Try waiting longer than 15 minutes for someone to respond, mmkay?

To answer your question, I think it's really a matter of taste. I can use mac machines or Windows machines. Neither is better to me.

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they both have their pluses.
mac:
networking
Graphics
web browsing (safari is great)

and the use i think to be most important (for me at least): you turn on the simple finder and its just about impossible for a kid to mess it up makes it the prime machine for an elementary/middle school lab.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jace Raven:
they both have their pluses.
mac:
networking
Graphics
web browsing (safari is great)

Network? WTF? I can do the same things on many other boxen
Graphics - of course
Web browsing? I prefer firebird 110%, and that is cross platform of course, runs fine anywhere just about.
Comming from the view of a die hard mac fan

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Well, one of my old friends is a Mac zealot, and I am able to tell you that if you're at all into movie editing, or any kind of computer art, you want a Mac. They just have superior processing power. When I visited Virginia over Christmas, my sister's IMac was also starting to grow on me. However, I like my computer games, so right now, Albert (renamed compy) is running Windows 2k, which, in my friend's and my opinion, is the least sucky and most controllable Windows OS. I don't think I will ever be doing any computer art stuff, so I dont think I will really use Macs that much, unless of course I buy one later just for the coolness. I might try to run Linux at some point, but I'm having trouble jacking a proper box. My dad's taking our old Win95 box to work or something, and I don't know of any other places that are throwing old computers our (or selling them dirt cheap).

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Windows, depending on version, is a lot less stable (in general) than a lot of other OSs, including the Mac. Macs were based on a version of BSD (BSD is one of the most stable OSs there is) and Mac even eventually released a copy of the underlying BSD system back into the public domain (google Darwin). As far as I am concerned, when it comes to an OS, I believe the best option is Open Source Free Software...

Macs running OSX are closed Hardware and Software, thus I don't plan on owning a mac anytime in the near future. However, the clear advantages to the Mac over windows is that they are user-friendly, have better music software and graphics programs avalible and are more stable (as mentioned earlier). Not to mention the security issues that Windows has (not only were the first window programs not designed for security (95/98), but Windows being so common means there are more people looking for exploits and writting virises for Windows -- remember the "Blaster" hit recently?)

Linux is open and free and almost as stable as the mac. Being open it is a lot more customizable and has a lot of free software that runs on it (free as in speech and beer), which means no paying licencing fees and always will (unless SCO manages somehow to get the judge and jury drunk -- but even then the offending code would be replaced and it'd be free again). Secuity is tighter (having all of the code open means lots people look at the code and notice potential problems earlier) and when a problem is solved a fix is avalible earlier (because there is no company to spend weeks denying there is a problem before they begin working on a solution). The draw backs are that it isn't always the most user friendly system to install (though even that is changing -- and depends on distro) and run (which depends on what software your using for it). It does lack the new high quality (commerical grade) grapic intesive games (though id's Quake series is avalible for it (I think)).

BSD has the same advantages and disavantages listed above for Linux... Except it is more stable, easier to keep up to date, better packaging tools and harder to install (well, not harder, just longer -- the installation is a lot more customized so that the system is more stable and responsive -- so you have to tell the installation program more preferences).

This post glazes over a lot of things, and makes sweeping generalizations about OSs based on the type of OS not taking into account differences between distro of BSD and Linux or differences between versions of the Mac OS and Windows. This post is the opinon of a one GameMaster, and is to taken as his observations and nothing more. This post cannot stress that Open Source Free Software for an OS just makes sence (period). This post will self destruct in
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I suggest the ABW system.

ABW - Anything But Windows

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I rarely take sides in the "this OS is better than that" debate. But, I'm feeling uppity today.

All the issues of stability, openness, customizability are completely unimportant for at least 99% of the population. There is one criteria that really matters - the Mac offers the least surprise when you try to do something for the first time. That makes it a useful tool for a new user, while the other OSs are just painful. Let me illustrate.

Pop a DVD into a virgin machine of each OS and see what happens:

Mac - it plays
Linux - nothing happens until you pick the right media player from a large menu of them. Since they are all free, you get 7 different ones to choose from, each with *almost* all the features you would ever want, but none of them having *all* the features you want. You have no context however, being a newbie, to make an educated choice.
Windows - depending on the hardware vendor, multiple players all wake up and ask you "Do you want FooPlayer9 to be your default media player?". Like linux, you have no context yet to make that choice.

Automobile analogies are usually stupid, but I'll make one anyway. Some guys are really into cars and they customize them and add performance options and all sorts of stuff. It makes them happy. Most people really don't care. They just want to get somewhere in the vehicle that makes them the most comfortable - be that leather seats or percieved safety, or kick-ass sound system.

Let's imagine that the first time I drive my new car it asks me - "Do you want the dynamic stability control turned on every time you drive?"
Could anything be dumber? How the hell do I know at that point? I don't know enough to make the choice yet.

Macs win because you don't have to make any choices at first - things just work and they work one way. Later, as you gain experience, you can replace any software you want. Is that the right choice for everyone - no. Is that right for almost everyone - yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffo:
Newbie Question: What makes Mac better than Windows? [crazy]

Personal choice. Opinion. Forbearance.

What makes Christianity better than Islam better than Judaism better than Hinduism better than Buddhism better than Christianity?

Nothing except the fervent belief one is better than the others.

Same goes for Apple, Windows, and (*gulp!*) the many versions of Linux.

I prefer the Apple because I can crash Windows boxes by barely touching them. I don't do anything to the registry, I don't change anything in the system. I don't download anything. But they crash. My mother does this, too, so perhaps it's genetic. Perhaps it's our respective hubbies buggering with the systems between our times at the keyboard. There are many reasons, I'm sure.

I like the ease of connectivity the Airport allows. I like that all my peripherals just work. I don't like that it's hard to get a decent spreadsheet program without spending an arm and a leg. I dislike having to go out of my way to get games and programs I need -- like our yearly income tax software. However, they're starting to come to us with the offers, which is making it easier.

Every O/S has its positives and negatives. It comes down to what you can bear that influences the personal preference of one O/S over another.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
/me readies a can of troll-be-gone

Don't make me open this kids...

Hehe [Smile] .

What can I say, I'm using an iMac (iLuxo 15") to SSH into my Linux machine at home. I'm really probably not appreciating this thing's power [Wink] . Windows isn't great, but frankly, I'm really opposed to uninformed comments like "Windows Sucks," or "Macs Suck," or any other OS "sucks." Tell me what you don't like specifically, and prove that you actually know enought about the platform to have a serious dislike of it. There are a lot of things I loathe about Windows, the main things being gaping security holes, DLL-hell, and things that try to 'help,' but usually aggravate you more. Other than that, it's a workable operating system, and obviously there are a number of people out there who can use it.

I love Linux. It works really well for me - that doesn't mean it's for everyone, or that it is completely without faults. I'm also amenable to Mac OS X, with it's *nix roots, and I admit it has some nice asthethic qualities to it. However, I'm not a graphics artist, I'm really Just Another Perl Hacker [Wink] . I program, e-mail, IM, browse the web, Grok the Gimp as needed, and that's about it. I just can't appreciate some of the wonders of a Mac as well, as I just don't work in it's typical ways. The hardware is pretty nice, though, and I'd really like a 12" iBook. Given that, and all my open source *nix apps on it, and I'll be a very happy dragon [Smile] .

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I Only (fairly) recently got a mac, after being a PC user since the original IBM-PC back in the Age of Steam.

I have a mac and 3 PCs in my household, there are 2 computers on the desk I'm sitting at, and I'm typing this on the mac.

It's just nicer to use, all manner of little things work the way they should, there's no control-alt-stick-your-tongue-out-twiddle to get things to work. I don't have to go to the "Start Menu" to stop.

My one peeve with OS-X is the way you have to grab a window by the little diagonal lines in the bottom right corner to re-size it. In MS-Windows, you can grab any windows edge, which is way more convenient.

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I'm on a Mac myself right now. I'm a graphic designer and they're Great for seeing nearly the same colors on the screen as they'll look in print.

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What's better about a Mac? Just about everything - which is another way of saying that it's a matter of taste. Sit down at one and see if you like it. If you do, no other computers quite cut the mustard, but if not you will at least have a wider choice of cheaper hardware and be able to play more games!

As well as the points made by other posts, what the Mac shares with Linux and other unix OS is that it is not a Redmond product, which does not make it work better but does make you feel morally cleaner inside. For similar reasons I try not to buy anything from any of Rupert Murdoch's companies.

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I can now feel secure again in recomending the Macintosh to new users. What a relief! With Mac OS X 10.3 (and even the later 10.2's), Apple has once again found something they were sorely sorely missing in Mac's OS X under 10.2, the principle I like to call MMJW -- My Mac Just Works.

Here's the deal. You get the Mac home, and slice open the box. You pull it out of the box and admire it's beauty and style. Damn they make these things pretty nowdays. Then you plug everything in and hit the power button. Your ears are suddenly suprized as you hear not a beep, but a pleasing, 4 octive spanning, chord (Vooooom!). The screen hasn't even come on yet, and already it's a stylish, groovy, very Different computer expierence.

Now the screen is on, and you're immeadately reminded of The Gap as the subduded polished aluminum Apple logo appears on the screen. After a few moments you're presented with a progress dialog with some technical junk about things that are loading, but you don't see the words because you're too mesmirised by the progress bar. Oooo, shiny, and flowy, and gooey, and it looks so damn tasty you just wanna' lick it. The progress bar reaches the end and you're almost sad to see it go. But what's this? More music?! So chill and relaxing. And then it welcomes you, in like a million different languages. [Smile]

And that's just the first 5 minutes. [Big Grin]

PS: The new eMac arrived today. [Wink]

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this is a mac-centric comic and forum

you won't get much more than "anything but windows", and "mac is just plain better" blah blah blah...

what makes macs better than windows? elitism, be the only one on your block to spend 3-4x what a comaprable PC costs!

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quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:

Then you plug everything in and hit the power button. Your ears are suddenly suprized as you hear not a beep, but a pleasing, 4 octive spanning, chord (Vooooom!). The screen hasn't even come on yet, and already it's a stylish, groovy, very Different computer expierence.

Now the screen is on, and you're immeadately reminded of The Gap as the subduded polished aluminum Apple logo appears on the screen. After a few moments you're presented with a progress dialog with some technical junk about things that are loading, but you don't see the words because you're too mesmirised by the progress bar. Oooo, shiny, and flowy, and gooey, and it looks so damn tasty you just wanna' lick it. The progress bar reaches the end and you're almost sad to see it go. But what's this? More music?! So chill and relaxing. And then it welcomes you, in like a million different languages. [Smile]

And that's just the first 5 minutes. [Big Grin]

PS: The new eMac arrived today. [Wink]

Did you score some good stuff today??? If you did, why aren't you sharing?

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You know, in all this time I have never once thought to chew on my TiBook. Thanks MMKK, for that nifty bit of advice. I'll go take a lick now...

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My XP box is damn pretty too and stable, the case, is a Lian Li Black brushed aluminum finish with dual front side intake fans and a filter(to keep out the cat hairs). Blue LEDs illuminate the top and rear exhaust fans. A cold-cathode black light bathes the interior of the computer and visible through the (soon to be engraved) side window are the UV-reactive rounded IDE cables and processor fan. My gui on the other hand is set to maximize functionality with just a few bits of eye candy to suck up system resources (windows does a good enough job on its own). Again, it ultimately comes down to your preferences and priorities. Macs are great out of the box for media editing. The biggest advantage windows has always had and maintains is the enormous market share it enjoys and fights tenaciously to maintain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffo:
What makes Mac better than Windows?

The simple fact that it's a Mac de facto makes it better than Windoze.

Trust me I'm a doktorr...

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
.......Macs running OSX are closed Hardware and Software, thus I don't plan on owning a mac anytime in the near future. .....

Yes and no there. If you are talking about the computer alone, yes, but not all of the hardware. You can put in the same RAM, Hard Drives, Optical Drives, USB & Firewire devices, printers and monitors that work with a PC and the list goes on and on. There are also 3rd party processor upgrades for Macs.

Now if you are talking about building your own Mac then yes that is basically closed. I know many PC users love to build their own boxes, but that makes way for too many incompatibilities and nights of troubleshooting because of so many different motherboards and variations on video cards etc..... If you like to tinker and learn the inner workings of a computer a home built PC is a great way to go. If you just want to use a computer that works out of the box get a Mac or an off the shelf PC.

And how is the software closed? You can install X11 (Comes with OSX 10.3) an run just about any UNIX program. Plus you can install Linux and Virtual PC too. So on a Mac you can run Mac OSX, UNIX, Linux & Windows, hardly locked in there.

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gawd, I *love* my Mac...
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