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Callipygous
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Icon 1 posted February 02, 2007 07:18      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
though perhaps not in the way MS anticipated. Just look at the results of the poll on this page. Or do you think someone has hacked the stats?

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I see ...

Lies, damned lies, and a curious omission of Linux. Or people still using Windows 2000. Or *BSD (e.g. Demosthenes). What if you decide to move to AmigaOS 4, since that's had its final release now? Even RISC OS won't die.

I don't suppose you'd get even 1% of the niche alternate OSes like RISC OS (though the figures add up to 100.1%) but I consider the omission of Linux and BSD to be a serious omission, and likewise take exception to the dismissal that anyone might run a version of Windows other than XP or Vista.

The figures of that poll only indicate the amount of people who voted, and I imagine Mac folk are more likely to push their love for Macintosh than Windows users are to care about registering their use of Windows.

Another set of statistics I saw the other day pegged market share by Web activity (from browser stats from Google and some other big company, I forget which). Mac OS X by the end of 2005 was still at only 3% or so. But they actually failed to make any graphs that summarised Windows collectively: every Windows release had its own graph plot, but Mac OS of all versions was treated as a single statistic. Very hard to read off the Windows percentage from that, but at least they did consider Linux.

Of course, there's more to who buys what than simply who uses the Web most ...

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Icon 1 posted February 02, 2007 12:00      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Result probably doped as the poll was mentioned on a Mac forum. But let's take those 50% apart, and look at the new numbers. Less than 20% of the Windows users who answered intend to buy it any time soon. Not quite a earth-shattering debut, if you ask me.

Ah! Here is the CNN poll (on the left side, at about the middle of the page). 18% don't use Windows, 7% want Vista right away, and a full 75% are going to wait and see.

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Icon 1 posted February 02, 2007 14:46      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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Another set of statistics I saw the other day pegged market share by Web activity (from browser stats from Google and some other big company, I forget which).
Remember though, that those who use "alternative" browsers often spoof their ID for those rubbish sites which only accept IE.
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I'd like figures on that. I personally refuse to use any User-Agent string but iCab's own unless I really have no other choice (and I can set the User-Agent string in iCab on a per-wildcard-URL basis with the Filter Manager such that other sites remain unaffected). I don't think most Mac users even know how to reconfigure Safari for that, or any other Mac browser. I imagine only iCab users do, since it's a browser for nerds.
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Icon 1 posted February 03, 2007 04:42      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
For camino, there is an easy download called camitools. It's also easy in Opera, shiira and I would think it would be easy in Omniweb.

Personally, I've switched the user string once or twice, and then never set it back. Dunno how you'd go about getting stats though.

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Another story about Vista and the Microsoft we know and love.

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quote:
Originally posted by littlefish:
For camino, there is an easy download called camitools. It's also easy in Opera, shiira and I would think it would be easy in Omniweb.

Personally, I've switched the user string once or twice, and then never set it back. Dunno how you'd go about getting stats though.

Most people haven't a clue how to do that that. The truth is simply that the majority of people /do/ use IE and Windows, and don't care to do anything else. For certain sites, Mac users and Firefox users probably never visit (Britney Spears fan sites, anyone?) - while for others, Firefox commands a huge share of traffic. Another thing is that a lot of this web traffic is recorded during business hours - for instance, /. has gotten a lot of IE/Windows traffic for quite some time. While it's sadly true that there are far more Windows users on /. these days, it hasn't always been the case, but what has been true is that a lot of IT folks read /. from work, where there's no other choice. (Fx on Windows, maybe - which is what I do.)

uill: I don't think Demos is a BSD girl, but I could be wrong. I thought that was fs, when she's not using Ubuntu. Demos, any word on which distro you use, when not using a Mac? (Or maybe I'm wrong and you use BSD - but your FSF ties would lead me to think otherwise.)

The other day I made some derisive comments about Vista fanboys and they were distinctly male-oriented comments. The person I was talking to said something to the effect of 'what about women Windows users interested in Vista?' I suggested that the same comments would hold true. He played devil's advocate and asked "but what about women you know who are tech savvy?" -- and then thought for a second and said "Oh." To that I said, "Yeah, most of my female friends either use Macs, Linux, or BSD." [Big Grin]

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Demosthenes uses BSD, not sure which -- FreeBSD? Mac OS X too, now, I think, which is -- conveniently -- FreeBSD. FireSnake uses Linux mainly (Debian variants I think), but may still have an OpenBSD machine set up. Taco and Smeg have both tried BSD and both liked it (OpenBSD?), I think, but I don't know that either still use it.

Is it just me, or does "BSD" sound dirty? I blame Steen.

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Icon 1 posted February 04, 2007 18:59      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
BSD = Betamax Standard Distribution
Technically superior, but hobbled by inferior marketing.

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Kinda funny. When I last read up on that, BetaMax wasn't actually as good as the myth always makes out. I think I recall that it had much less capacity on a cassette vs VHS.

No idea about BSD -- I only hear good things said about it, and how it works better than Linux, e.g. better hardware detection. Maybe it really is the Betamax distribution except, were that the case, Linus Torvalds may not have admitted that he'd not have written Linux if he'd known about it.

I'm far more content with Windows than I should be, but Vista is a no-go for me. Far too expensive for an OS that needs a new computer: if I am going to spend that sort of money, dammit I'd consider a Mac instead :P

Personally I wish Bill Gates had told the big media cartel to "Go to Hell" over copyright protection, which would make it very hard for them to continue with plans if no-one's computer would actually play any Blu-Ray DVDs or other "premium content" (a term which makes me think of porn not Hollywood movies). In theory, Apple could then have said "OK, we'll bend over to you and take it up the ass" and then increased the value of Mac OS X vs Windows. I have no idea how that would all have played out, but no, Microsoft, the only company powerful enough to have put a stop to it, failed miserably. For that, Microsoft deserve nothing but derisive scorn.

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There are several quite nice BSDs out there now, but if you are interested in experimenting with it I highly recommend the relatively new PC BSD if you haven't heard about it.

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Actually, I have the utmost respect for BSD. They got a lot of stuff right way before Linux was even started. The problem they sufferred from was infighting and splintering of the kernel into several camps - FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD - each stressing different core features. It made choosing it much harder than picking a linux distro, where the kernal is uniform and the difference is in what comes bundled.
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