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snupy
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I thought it was pretty good. As one critic said, "Brad Pitt can't carry a movie like Russell Crowe"(comparing it to Gladiator), and I agree. However the ensemble in this movie was great, and the story was pretty true to the mythology I remember, with perhaps a little poetic license taken. Everything you expect from an epic like this-if you enjoy that genre, it doesn't disappoint.

Warning: running time: 2 hrs, 45 min

And for those of you who have seen it: could they
have put in ONE more close-up of Hector's wife's quivering lower lip?? We get it already-she's afraid!! [Roll Eyes]

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They were probably tring to balance out the Brad Pitt/beefcake overload.

Tina Fey of SNL made some comment to the a/effect of ho many guys will turn gay after seeing this movie.....not that there is anything wrong with that.

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I have mixed feelings about Troy.

I'll admit up front that I have not read the Iliad so I don't know how accurately the film reflected Paris and Helen, and I understand that they had to take some artistic license with the film, but PUHLEEESE... could they have reduced the intelligence of these two characters any further? I wanted them both to die on the way back to Troy, quickly and quite painfully. It was very off-putting. I hated these characters. (Yes, I know, if they died or Hector turned back to Sparta, then what would the movie be about?). Evidently the rest of the audience I saw it with agreed, because after that, every time Paris was on screen, much laughter was heard, with one or more "Well, d'uh!"'s. At one point, I said to my friend sitting next to me "Is it me, or are Odysseus and Hector the only people in this movie with any brains?" Other than that, I liked the movie.

But I went to see the movie so I could see Sean Bean in a skirt, so I can't complain too loudly. Except that there was not enough of him. Could they please film The Odyssey next? [Big Grin] Just with someone other than Wolfgang Peterson directing, please.

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I understand why the movie makers would decide to remove the gods from the film but a lot of the movie doesn't really work without it. In the Iliad it was as much a war between the gods as between the Greeks and Trojans. There is no reason for Achilles to be Superman if he wasn't dipped in the River Styx, and it really doesn't make sense for him to get shot in the heel. I enjoyed the movie a lot, even with the mythological errors. I'm not a huge Brad Pitt fan, or a huge Orlando Bloom fan, but the guy that played Hector was hot! So I still got eye candy to go with my Homerian epic. [Big Grin]

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I agree-Hector and Odysseus were both hot!

Do you gals know what I mean about Hector's wife, though?? Geez, that was annoying!!! Yeah, and Paris and Helen were morons

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Yes, Andromache did seem to have a nerve problem with her jaw. I just thought she was just put there to show that Hector was a decent, upstanding guy, so I didn't mind her much. Now if they had given her more dialogue than "don't go," and it was as inane as anything Paris or Helen said, I might have been seriously annoyed. At least Andromache didn't seem like a twit.

Am I the only one who noticed that Paris looked a heck of a lot better when he had a bow and arrow in his hands? [Wink]

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Yeah-I think that was my annoyance with her. She had barely any lines, but seemingly endless shots of the same facial expression.
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quote:
Originally posted by Grey_girl:
Am I the only one who noticed that Paris looked a heck of a lot better when he had a bow and arrow in his hands? [Wink]

You're not the only one. Although I think my preference for that is because it makes him look like much less of a wuss, rather than the resemblace to Legs (Legolas). [Razz]

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Okay, that's it. I knew I wanted to see this movie, but now I think I need to.

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It was a great movie. I saw it and enjoyed it quite a bit, however, it was only around 50% accurate.

SPOILERS:

In the movie, the war only lasted for around 2 weeks, whereas in the book it was 10 years. The movie left out the Gods. Hector kills Ajax and Menelaus in the beginning which didn't happen in the book. Also, Briseis kills Agamemnon, whereas in the legend, he was killed by his wife.

Despite these inaccuracies, it was still a great movie, and far more accurate than the TV movie "Helen of Troy".

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/me imagines a movie where an army storms an uninteresting beach for ten years while the entire time the main warrior is yelling about having his name remembered [Eek!]

I think I can deal with that change.

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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
/me imagines a movie where an army storms an uninteresting beach for ten years while the entire time the main warrior is yelling about having his name remembered [Eek!]

I think I can deal with that change.

I guess you're right about that, but there were other things changed, such as Hector killing Menelaus and Ajax.
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quote:
Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep:
[QBAlso, Briseis kills Agamemnon, whereas in the legend, he was killed by his wife. [/QB]

So there won't be any sequel about Electra and Orestes. Dammit.

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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
/me imagines a movie where an army storms an uninteresting beach for ten years while the entire time the main warrior is yelling about having his name remembered [Eek!]

I think I can deal with that change.

But in the true tale they just skip to the exciting moments, which the film could have done easily enough. Then again guess Ill have to wait a week so I cans ee it then rave about its chaging evils (especially if Achillies and paris do live as long as Ive bee told).

Just out of mild interest does the film mention the luck of troy at any point?

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To your question, some people mention good omens but not really luck. It is all attributed to the favor of the gods and a great army.

Maybe a movie could skip to just the interesting points but I would be a little put off by a series of "One year later" "six months later" "five years later" subtitles. Eh, could be just me. Anyhoo I liked the movie so it's all good.

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Hmm...two hours of hot guys in skirts...</drool>

Maybe I should wait until it comes out on DVD so I can back-to-back it with Rob Roy... [Big Grin]

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Well, I saw it...and oh my did I drool. Total eye candy...and the dudes I was with liked it too, which means one thing: date movie. [Razz]

The battles were great. The fights featuring Achilles were also fantastic. I love that running leap thing he did. For some reason, it made me think of stories I've read of Cuchulain. So now I want them to make a movie about Cuchulain, with Brad Pitt playing Cuchulain (and yes I know I've spelled that wrong). Sean Bean should be in it too. [Big Grin]

Some beefs: The architecture/scuplturey in Troy looked waay too Egyptian. The Trojans and the Greeks shared the same culture. Those statues were way too blocky to be Greek. Also, what was with that Briseis/Achilles love scene. One moment she's got a knfe to his throat, ready to kill him, the next they're fscking. Okay, so I can understand how achilles might have been turned on, but I'm not sure how Briseis went from ready to kill to hot-and-bothered in a space of thirty seconds (it was, after all, passionate sex, not a rape...ergo she was willing). Yes, Achilles is hot, but there's something missing there, I think. Members of the audience were also confused - someone giggled a couple rows ahead of me.

And yeah, Helen and Paris were dumbasses.

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Meh... Preferred the book...

[Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
The fights featuring Achilles were also fantastic.
Achilles?
What a heel !

For some reason, it made me think of stories I've read of Cuchulain. So now I want them to make a movie about Cuchulain, with Brad Pitt playing Cuchulain

This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Celtic Heroes all fought naked, would it ? [Wink]

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Did they? Really? BONUS!!

[Big Grin] [evil] [Big Grin]

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Wonder if they'll do the "I see your Scwartz is as big as mine" scene from Spaceballs [evil]
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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Did they? Really? BONUS!!

[Big Grin] [evil] [Big Grin]

Do we get a movie about the Amazons?

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Yeah, if only Wonder Woman had stuck with her Amazonian roots [Big Grin]

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If nothing else you can watch the Amazon princess in her costume. [Wink]

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Yeah, you've already got Xena, let us have Cuchulain, okay? [Razz]

And then they can give us Finn MacCumhail, and Angus Ogg and a better William Wallace...maybe I should stop before I drown in my own drool...

/me has a thing for Celts. *sigh*

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