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Colonel Panic
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Icon 1 posted April 07, 2009 10:03      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It is heart warming to see the joy expressed by these troops as they meet with President Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/world/middleeast/08obama.html?_r=1&hp

No grim faces of soldiers in the background being forced as a backdrop to idiocy, no "Mission Accomplished" goofiness, none of the political posturing that used troops as tools.

These soldiers look very happy to see a President who will steer them away from the Failure-Based policies of the past.

Finally a Commander in Chief who wants to win and cares about the well-being of our troops.

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It is indeed refreshing to see a president who's not afraid of a bit of human spontaneity.

During the long dark years of the Bush regime, GWB made very few 'public' appearances or press conferences. Most of his speeches were carefully-controlled events at military bases (or aircraft carriers), before neat rows of immaculately dresses soldiers or sailors in dress uniforms, people who could be ordered to applaud politely and not ask any awkward questions.

Oh, and it's nice to see a president dressed like a president, not some kids GI Joe doll.

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Nice photo, and while I wish Obama all good fortune in dealing with the immensely difficult problems of Iraq and the Middle East, some of the language here bothers me slightly. First it would be nice to be able to express this without a mandatory pop at GWB. He is after all not president now, he's gone. More importantly before that he had an administration, not a regime. It was not a one party state, let alone a dictatorship, which is what I associate with that word. Ultra righties like to pretend they were not running the show, but are instead an oppressed minority unable to get their message out to the great American public, and opposed by irrational, hate filled leftist zealots. It's best not to give them any excuse for this fantasy, especially as exaggeration easily obscures the legitimate complaints which are shocking and sinister enough not to need any pumping up.

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Wait a minute Calli, I hear a song coming into my head. Can you hear it?

"Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

"Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...

"Little darling, I feel that ice is slowly melting
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been clear
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right
It's all right"


George Harrison, just lovely, isn't it?

It's all right.

And isn't that just the way life is? We really don't appreciate the sun until we live through a long, cold, lonely winter? And many of us have done just that.

Mo_Man and I live in the state with the highest unemployment in the USA. We know long, cold lonely winters.

I lost over a quarter of a million dollars in savings because GWB allowed people to STEAL it. And I'm lucky, that was just a portion of my nest egg. I saw Bush coming and put most of the savings into insured money market funds. Mo_Man lost more.

We also know who dumped on the troops and the vets. We know who sent them into battle without proper armor, then let them rot in fetid conditions at Bethesda Hospital. Those who have not forgotten have a duty.

Oh, wait a minute, another song ..

"And I'm here to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair to deny me
Of the cross I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know"


Alanis Morrisette, Nice little ditty, I think. Popular, too.

Even more so now.

Two-thirds of this country -- this country, not yours -- do feel a duty to remind the people who ran this nation into the ground that it really was their fault. And the reason for that is their leaders won't admit it. Nope, they won't.

In fact, they are still blaming liberals. And they are inciting violence. Chuck Norris wants people to pick up arms in revolution and have the state of Texas secede from the USA. Sarah Palin has key supporters who believe the same thing for Alaska. Republican Representative Michele Bachmann is also asking her supporters to pick up arms.

It's not liberals saying, "Thank God we're free!"

NO!

It's Limbaugh and O'Reilly, and Hannity and Norris and Bachmann who are absolutely inciting violence with lies and calls to arms.

And the people who listen? They park bomb-laden Ryder trucks in front of nurseries at Federal Buildings and kill babies. They buy guns and perform suicide attacks on their families, classmates and coworkers. They are no different than Al Qaida, only they live among us and they love to kill, kill, kill.

April 19th/20th is just two weeks away. Those are the anniversaries of the attack on the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. And the Waco attack on ATF agents. And Columbine. And Hitler's suicide. It's the right-wing crazy witching hour. And The right-wing media is in full attack mode stirring up frenzy and insanity in a political group that is already three steps and a twelve pack away from reality.

And you suggest I shut up and don't disturb the already very disturbed? You think I'm just part of the trash in this country that is good enough to die for the freedoms this nation has, just not good enough to enjoy them?

What's the matter, Calli? Did your grandparents tell the Jews in Europe to be quiet around Hitler, too? Your folks vote straight appeasement ticket with Neville Chamberlain? Tell Churchill to shut up as the storm gathered? Sit idle while 6-million people were murdered because they thought 22 miles of channel would keep their side safe?

Disgusting.

I have every right to say life is getting better, and point out that there are people who still won't admit they really messed things up in this country.

I'm not the one crying "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. Somebody has to set the record straight.

And one more thing, look up "regime" Calli. It is the term that describes the prevailing party -- even in a democracy. You dwell only on one dark connotation.

Literacy, Calli, give it a try. Right after you pick up a healthy dose of "How can I look at myself in the mirror?"

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_________________ TheMoMan is going to weigh in now.

Geo-Political here in Michigan there are huge numbers of many ethnic types. From Medical Students at The University of Michigan, to the laid off no skill, no benifits, unemployed. It is this group that is the most fearful. They do not want to accept that it is not the worker still working that is the cause of them being out of a job. They want to blame first the Government, and then any other groups (ethnics) for their misfortune. Any body but them selves, Nobody forced them to quit school and go get that high wage no skill factory job.

We have in this State: The John Birch Society, The KKK, and half a dozen or more Michigan Militia groups running around in the woods, putting up Swastikas. and declaring "White Power"

The hate mongering here in the USA is unreal, just look at the uproar over The Sec, of Defense wanting to cut some weapons programs,

Secessionist+movement Googled

Brought up a bunch of hits.

Heres one from Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_autonomist_and_secessionist_movements#United_States_.28North_America.29

Now after each state leaves do the counties then do the same?

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CP....and I thought that now with Obama is in the White House you might be open to reason....

Just to make myself absolutely 100% crystal clear:-

I was not expressing one iota of approval for GWB in particular or the Republicans in general.

I was not denying that there are sinister anti democratic currents within the Republican Party, those that want the Democrats consigned to permanent opposition for example, nor am I denying the seriousness of the many ways that they undermined your constitution. I have often expressed the opinion that the ideology they espouse is evil, but I believe this is a measured judgement which I can back up with sound logical arguments.

I was not arguing for some kind of wishy washy bipartisanship, merely suggesting that tactically, if we wish to present ourselves as being on the side of real world facts, logic, history, and open lively debate, we should be wary of chucking mud and smears around. By behaving as you do CP, it almost looks as though you want to be defined by Rush Limbaugh rather than George Harrison.

As for literacy yes I do think that is important too, which is why I think we should always try to use political language as accurately as possible. I disliked it when in the 70's, it became popular to describe ordinary conservatives as fascist. In my view as a result of this, the word "fascist" has just become a tired insult and so is now fairly meaningless, which is unfortunate, because the GWB's Republican Party shared some disturbing parallels with actual real fascism, but we have lost a word to accurately describe that. The Republicans too are gradually making the words "Marxist" and "socialist" meaningless by applying them to all their political enemies.

Lastly CP, while I am no fan of bipartisanship, I do look forward to a day when politics can be discussed without insulting your opponent, or accusing him of cowardice, hypocrisy, or simple moral turpitude.

Sadly that day still looks a long way off.

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
What's the matter, Calli? Did your grandparents tell the Jews in Europe to be quiet around Hitler, too? Your folks vote straight appeasement ticket with Neville Chamberlain? Tell Churchill to shut up as the storm gathered? Sit idle while 6-million people were murdered because they thought 22 miles of channel would keep their side safe?

Disgusting.............

......And one more thing, look up "regime" Calli. It is the term that describes the prevailing party -- even in a democracy. You dwell only on one dark connotation.

Literacy, Calli, give it a try. Right after you pick up a healthy dose of "How can I look at myself in the mirror?"

CP - there was no need at all for this tirade of abuse against one of the most polite and articulate people currently posting on GC.

Please don't slip back into your old ways.

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My $.02...

CP - even though your political leanings are on the opposite side of the spectrum; when you go on a tirade and attack other posters, especially the well-respected ones, you make yourself out to look a lot like ASM.

The problem is not ASM's political affiliation, let him believe what he will; but it's his blatant personal attacks that are unwelcome here.

Your blatant personal attacks are just as unwelcome, and they don't win any points for your cause...

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Guys,

What Calli has done is combine his unfathomable ignorance of the United States of America with his arrogance and faux intellectualism to create a masterful pile of rubbish.

He has no understanding of the USA and constantly reveals that in his posts.

Moreover, he has no understanding of the word "regime." Zippo. Zilch. Nada. Nope. Apparently the word scares him.

If he is going to criticize somebody about the use of the word, he at least owes everyone a visit to a dictionary. Because if he doesn't, what he is doing is insulting people.

Look Calli, it impossible to have a dialogue with a man who is illiterate. That would be: YOU.

You have taken Druid's use of the use of the word, "regime" and gone off on a tangent that likens it to hippies using inflammatory language. It's faulty logic.

You are wrong.

As for how you can go from the word "regime" to your tirade on "socialist" and "Marxist" is beyond me. You insult your audience. You reveal your ignorance.

Grummash, in Calli's private messages to me, he has shown himself to be an incredible bigot, if not a racist. He is one of the people in here who seem to have a great big problem with me having "some blood in me."

He knows what he is doing, even if you don't.

You see, if a polite individual gets into a war of words with somebody who writes for a living, the polite person would consult with a dictionary, because you can be sure the writer will. Indeed, this writer checked three dictionaries. But Calli won't do that, because he is not polite. He is a bigot. He views me as a beastly little nigger boy.

As a bigot he cannot apologize to a nigger about his poor grasp of a word; instead he has to throw out a red herring about socialism and Marxism.

My initial post did not start inflammatory stuff. I'm guessing Calli, the bigot, is very, very upset with Michelle Obama embracing the Queen, and he decided to lash out at a post honoring President Obama. I have read that many of you British folks reacted very adversely to the embrace the Queen and our First Lady gave each other. Shame on you.

MacManKrisK,

Don't mention points to me.

Long before I posted any rude commentary in this forum I invited you -- three times-- to my home. I live only a few miles from your parents. You never, ever extended a courtesy of a reply. I can accept a polite "No." But your lack of a reply is very rude.

You are a rude, selfish, stupid little boy. Don't lecture me on civil courtesy. You lack it.

Now Mo-Man, first things first.

Isn't it great to see a President who really seems to support our troops, rather than give lip service to it?

You know, I write this at great risk of upsetting Calli, Grum and KrisK. It might make them cry. And use words they don't know.

Anyway a recent article in the New York Times remarked on the far-right baiting going on now, suggesting it was alarming. And there are two articles in the Washington Post that have mentioned it, too. I am very concerned about what may happen in the next two weeks.

This week in the United States, two mass murders were committed by individuals who believed the government was going to take their guns away soon. People are getting killed.

Anybody want to actually educate themselves with some background:

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/chapter-excerpt.html

Calli, you can have your Mommy read the big words to you and if your lucky, read the meanings from a dictionary.

In parting, I'm always disturbed by the bigotry that is allowed to pass for commentary by individuals as diverse as ASM and Calli, particularly in a forum run by people who seem so concerned with the welfare of animals. If animal welfare is put above those of us that do not have a "pure" anglo-saxon heritage, then how sad is that?

CP

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___________________ TheMoMan __ Again. There are many right wing conservatives that want Mr. Obama to fail.

Now lets define failure, he has a lot on his plate, more than I would want to have to solve. Money issues, green issues, A war that should have been prosicuted and one that should not. and now the Pirates.

Public health, and Vet suicides. to me these are the metric to measure, Mr. President. People are dying in this country because there is no true public health system, just a bunch of (paper houses) selling insurance.

The group of individuals, I was part of is not very big now, it seems that there were a lot of single car fatal accidents following 1975, The question to me is did he really have an accident or did he try to eat that bridge abutment or tree?

The Name calling does not serve any of us well the real issue is Health and safety. I can grow my own food.

CP does the hair on your neck still stand up before you hear the thump, thump, thump of a two blade rotor. For those that don't know, that is the long range sound of a Huey Helicopter.

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The central idea I am trying to convey to you CP is that we should leave hysteria to the Right. They do it better, and at the end of the game reason trumps madness.

Also CP, in case you haven't noticed, we are actually on the same side. We are talking tactics here, not about fundamental beliefs.

I can't even begin to address the wilder aspects of your last post.

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quote:
Originally posted by CP:
Grummash, in Calli's private messages to me, he has shown himself to be an incredible bigot, if not a racist. He is one of the people in here who seem to have a great big problem with me having "some blood in me."

He knows what he is doing, even if you don't.

CP - in the spirit of "pics or it didn't happen" - I challenge you to e-mail or PM me with these private messages showing Calli's bigotry. If you can come up with the evidence, and Calli corroborates their authenticity, I will accept your comments.

Turning to your comments about British people being horrified by Mrs Obama embracing the Queen, here you are showing your own ignorance. You suggest, although not explicitly, that any affront is due to the colour of Mrs Obama's skin. It is not. It is because she is a commoner. It was a breach of protocol, not a race issue.

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I thought Buckingham Palace said The Touch wasn't a breach of protocol because the Queen initiated it...

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Xanthine - TBH, I haven't been able to find any footage that shows who initiated the hug, so I have to accept that it was Mrs O based on all the reportage which states it was all Mrs O's doing.

The Palace probably would brush the incident off with the comment you suggested as that would be the diplomatic way to avoid a fuss. Let's not forget that "avoiding a fuss" is a very British priority.

Nonetheless, I feel that my point to CP still stands, in that the affront was that 'someone touched the Queen' and not 'a black person touched the Queen' as CP was insinuating.

In fairness though, it was probably just karma that someone would ruffle a few royal feathers - after all, HRH Phil the Greek has insulted most of the known world over the years! [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Grummash:
the affront was that 'someone touched the Queen' and not 'a black person touched the Queen' as CP was insinuating.

The UK tabloid press still call (former aussie PM) Paul Keating 'The Lizard Of Oz' after he touched the queen many years ago. From the way they carried on, you'd think he was caught groping her tits.


In fairness though, it was probably just karma that someone would ruffle a few royal feathers - after all, HRH Phil the Greek has insulted most of the known world over the years!

I particularly liked his question when visiting a Glasgow driving school,
"How do you keep the locals sober for long enough to pass their driving test?"

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Grummash, your point stands, but every news source I've seen has said that the Queen initiated the contact.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Grummash, your point stands, but every news source I've seen has said that the Queen initiated the contact.

Maybe she did - it's not something I want to fall out with anyone over.
You know, it would be nice to think that Her Madge did make the first gesture. One little step towards being human.

"Lizard of Oz"...... [Applause] [Applause] [Applause]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Grummash, your point stands, but every news source I've seen has said that the Queen initiated the contact.

For what I understand, the Queen did initiate the contact, but - and here's the problem - the Queen can touch you if she wishes so, but you can't touch the Queen.

Ah, but in the US, there is no monarchy any more, so royal protocol is not something you learn at school - or anywhere else. (How many here know how to make a proper low bow?) So maybe Michelle Obama wasn't briefed correctly. Maybe in the myriad of other things, she forgot about it. Or maybe it was just an instinctive response; something we do before we can think if it's appropriate or not. BUT, I don't think the Queen herself minded so much. I think that even though she is getting old (or maybe because she is), she is not as concerned with her image as she might have been a few decade ago.

Just to tell you, a couple of years ago, she came to Ottawa and made a quick step on the Quebec side. One guy (I don't remember his name) asked for a photo, and she accepted. But as he was tall and she is getting shorter, he hunched a bit and somehow found it was more natural for him to embrace her the same way Michelle did. Of course that was a protocol breach too - but the comments were that it was her best photo of all her visit: the Queen was smiling more naturally than any other shot.

So the Queen is not as strict as her subjects may like? Good for her; she have served them for long enough - we can give her a little slack. (My opinion, of course.)

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Ahem! Colonel... I've given you a couple of days to calm down. Any chance of a (preferably unreserved) apology, for those absurd tirades further up this page? I won't object if you choose to grovel....

If not please justify yourself. You have my permission to quote in whole or part from any PMs exchanged between us.

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This thread shows pretty clearly why GC is no longer a favored haven for the many and frequent former posters.

All it takes is one seriously neurotic poster to repeatedly make blatantly false and irresponsible accusations against others here, ridiculous ad hominem attacks and .... *zap* ... active and postive posters leave. Traffic suffers.

Snaggy, I hope you read this. If you'd like to see your traffic counts return, the solution is not only simple, IT IS DAMNED OBVIOUS! You know what must be done. I would love to see the active and lively days of the GC Forum return. But only you have the power to effect that.

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Yeah, gg... you hit the nail on the head...
What ever happened to the fun and geeky topics such as "bowling"?
I will return when all the bullshit dies down! Too much depressing crap everywhere else, don't feel like reading it on my favorite forums either! [Confused]

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I am proud of the current President of the United States.

I am glad that he is working on my behalf, and the behalf of all Americans, and with the support of two-thirds of the people of the United States of America, to correct the mistakes of the George W. Bush regime.

I question those who seek to quiet my opinion; the legacy of comparing the performance of one President's performance against another's is almost as old as this nation. So I have to suspect your motives, Jim. What is different with this President from all others? Why can't we -- with our nation in such dire circumstances, compare his performance against his predecessor? Why can't I point out a change, and celebrate that it is a change for the better? Skin color perhaps?

Maybe. So let's look at the rest of your post for context, shall we?

We see that you use an extreme definition of a word to emphasize your point. Why do that unless you were expressing an extreme view?

Your words:

More importantly before that he had an administration, not a regime. It was not a one party state, let alone a dictatorship, which is what I associate with that word.

You not only expose some bigotry, you are also exposing your ignorance. Let's look at the real definition:

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.:

...The period during which a particular administration or system prevails. 4. A regulated system, as of diet and exercise; a regimen. French regime, from Old French,...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regime
Main Entry:
re·gime
Variant(s):
also ré·gime \rā-ˈzhēm, ri- also ri-ˈjēm\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French régime, from Old French regimen, regime, from Late Latin regimin-, regimen
Date:
1776
1 a: regimen 1 b: a regular pattern of occurrence or action (as of seasonal rainfall) c: the characteristic behavior or orderly procedure of a natural phenomenon or process
2 a: mode of rule or management b: a form of government <a socialist regime> c: a government in power <predicted that the new regime would fall> d: a period of rule

Wow, Jim those aren't your definitions!

Now let's look at words you posted right above here, once it was clear you understood that my ethnic heritage has some African bloodlines:

I won't object if you choose to grovel...

Ah, yes. Now it is clear: You want a person you perceive as a black man to grovel before your "superior" intelligence?

Your words. Extreme definitions, ignorance of true ones, black men grovel. Looks like a bigot, smells like a bigot, walks like a bigot.

That is you. That is the can of garbage you chose to stir. YOU offended me. I will not grovel.

I'm sorry, Jim. My opinion of you as a bigot is more firm than ever before.

Colonel Panic

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2009 16:31      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dear dear me Colonel, what has become of you?

I am truly sorry because when I joined this forum you were one of the most entertaining and acute people here, spiky yes, but also able to mix original and inventive genial good humour with occasional startling shafts of insight. Sadly we seldom see that man any more. I hoped that the departure of GWB might revive him, but he seems to be buried very deep now.

You are an intelligent man. You know perfectly well, just as everyone else here does, what the implication of the word "regime" is and I am certain that I could dredge up Dictionary definitions, but I'm not going to feed the troll, which sadly is the only way I can characterise you now.

As for your Ali G routine - "Is it cause I is black?", you must know that is horseshit too. If not I say quite seriously, not to wind you up, or to insult you, that you need help. You used to try to tell us that your military service to your country not only exempted you from any criticism, but also automatically branded any who disagreed with you as snivelling unpatriotic cowards. We all got pretty tired of that, let you know it, and it to your credit, you dropped it, only to replace it with this now equally tired and irritating riff on racism, that anyone arguing with you is a racist bigot not just in disagreement but also actively persecuting you. This is ridiculous on so many levels. I have no idea whether you are black or not, though I recall a profile picture of you on a mower that certainly did not register with me as being of a coloured man, but here in any case we get our main impression of people from what they write, and you certainly do not act black, the image you project is of someone formed by neutral or slightly white cultural influences, beer and bourbon, motorcycles and the military, rather than racial identity. It is of course possible that there is a whole other side of you that you do not show, but we are not psychic. It may well be that there are racists here but if that is so, you really wouldn't know about it. My great great grandmother was a native American. That does not make me one, or grant me special privileges over the descendants of those who stole her land.

I am sorry that you have no respect for me, and that inevitably becomes mutual. You are a sad small embittered man. I will avoid you here from now on.

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2009 18:31      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Jim,

There was a time in here when everything was fun. I could come here to have fun. Get away.

I'd drop some comedy bits in here I was going to use the next day. See what kind of response I'd get.

Then there were some attacks that got way weird. It was non-stop attack on me. Nasty, nasty stuff. And there was no control over it. All I was doing was riffing on some comedy bits. And some people just went beserk.

It got worse and worse. I will never forget when Garlic Guy went on for days calling me a hyena, made fun of my medications, created animations. It was personal. It was awful.

He later apologized. And I appreciated that deeply.

But the real nasty hurt was silence over that attack. Not a single soul said a word about that. Not Snaggy Not you. Not anybody.

That hurt worse. Those who lead the silence never apologized. Those who say they hate that stuff now, who did nothing. You were somebody I expected to say something. I learned a lot about you through your silence.

Yes, I look white to most people. I was raised that way. But some people -- black and white -- who use some cues can tell my heritage. Most cases they used that knowledge to hurt me. I didn't know about it until I was threatened with being lynched when I was eight years old. That's when my grandfather told me about my family tree.

I remember people were quiet about that, too.

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Well Colonel, you certainly can dish it out. We've heard this Colonel as poor persecuted victim story before too. My childhood was none too peachy either, despite coming from a loving stable family, but that was then, this is now, and you can't conflate a few incidents in your childhood with a lifetime of racial persecution, still less with racial persecution on these boards.

As for those nasty attacks, are you trying to tell me you did nothing to provoke them? I thought gg's attacks on you were not worthy of him, and indeed he, a wise man, came to the same conclusion later, but I and (I assume) others understood perfectly where he was coming from. Why on earth do you imagine that constantly accusing your opponents of racism won't upset them, particularly if they support politics which though respectable do attract racist supporters? This very thread is a perfect example of your modus operandi, two posts from you filled with bile, sarcasm, scorn and poisonous insults, then none of the people you heap such ordure on retaliate, their replies are models of restraint and politeness, yet by the end of the second post you are calling for a vegetarians against racism mob to come to your aid against this imaginary kkk mob surrounding you. That is delusional fantasy worthy of ASM at his worst, the only difference being that he knows what good manners are. I am not upset by your attacks only because they are self evidently so ridiculous.

We are now in the Obama era. You don't have to imitate GWB any more and pretend that anyone not with you is against you. We allow reason, we allow debate, even nuance is permitted, it is permitted to agree with the general thrust of someone's argument while disagreeing on particulars. Trench warfare is over. In truth on these forums it has only been yourself and a few mad Righties in the trenches. The rest of us prefer sunshine.

You lash out at everyone around you. They only respond politely. You now tell it as a sob story of racist persecution. You have too much pride to apologise for your crazy and vile behaviour. You are not an idiot, so if you do not recognise what you are doing, you are either a devious lying troll, or in need of psychiatric help. In either case you need to do a little growing up too.

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