homeGeek CultureWebstoreeCards!Forums!Joy of Tech!AY2K!webcam

The Geek Culture Forums


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» The Geek Culture Forums   » News, Reviews, Views!   » Politics/Religion/Current Affairs   » Have Republicans turned America away from God? (Page 1)

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!  
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
Author Topic: Have Republicans turned America away from God?
Colonel Panic
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation
Member # 1200

Icon 1 posted March 15, 2009 12:19      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I have long believed that when Christ returns it will be the Republicans and the religious right who will attempt to nail the Lord to a cross a second time.

That's when all the demonic forces of the right wing will reveal themselves as agents of darkness by all looking exactly like Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh.

A recent poll has come out to show that after almost two decades of right-wing rule from the Church of the Later Day Pharisees, that they've darn near done that!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-religion10-2009mar10,0,2852705.story

I figure there is only so much of the Lord's name the right can take in vain before the whole corrupt foundation of fundamentalist religion reveals itself as a hiding place for Satan himself.

CP

--------------------
Free! Free at last!

Posts: 1809 | From: Glacier Melt, USA | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Colonel Panic
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation
Member # 1200

Icon 1 posted March 15, 2009 15:42      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here is an article that could also go in the Rush Limbaugh thread.

I admire the writer's stance in this article. He wonder's where basic Christian values go in the face of Rush Limbaugh.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2009/03/limbaughs_unrighteous_hold_on.html

I'm just as intrigued at the pro-Limbaugh responses to this article. They seem to underscore my opinion that the far right in America is doing more to destroy Christian faith than legions of Roman lions ever did.

CP

--------------------
Free! Free at last!

Posts: 1809 | From: Glacier Melt, USA | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Ugh, MightyClub
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation
Member # 3112

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted March 16, 2009 10:07      Profile for Ugh, MightyClub     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If nothing else, the URL for the first article is somewhat amusing and/or ironic:
quote:
.../la-me-religion...
Why, yes, I do find it kind of lame.

--------------------
Ugh!

Posts: 1742 | From: Ithaca, NY | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged
fs

Solid Nitrozanium SuperFan!
Member # 1181

Icon 1 posted March 17, 2009 11:28      Profile for fs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I don't see the religious right turning people off to that extent. Yeah, they're repugnant, but there are plenty of moderate or even liberal churches where people could find a spiritual home, if religion were important to them.

The underlying cause is, I think, that organized religion is becoming largely irrelevant. We have governmental heirarchies that impose law and order (and food safety regulations). We have secular education systems. We can read, and thanks to Gutenberg, everyone can have their own copy of whatever holy book they prefer to study and meditate upon. So what purpose, really, does a bloated, out-of-touch organization serve?

--------------------
I'm in ur database, makin' moar recordz.

Posts: 1973 | From: The Cat Ship | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Stereo

Solid Nitrozanium SuperFan!
Member # 748

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted March 17, 2009 12:20      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
So what purpose, really, does a bloated, out-of-touch organization serve?

Trying to keep old ways current. And among other things, making sure a woman's body belongs to her husband or father. Example 1: Vatican's position about condom usage; example 2: the case of the abortion of an 9-year old Brazilian girl who had been raped by her father. And that's just the most recent that spring to my mind.

--------------------
Eppur, si muove!

Galileo Galilei

Posts: 2289 | From: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
TMBWITW,PB

Member # 1734

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted March 17, 2009 13:46      Profile for TMBWITW,PB     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
example 2: the case of the abortion of an 9-year old Brazilian girl who had been raped by her father. And that's just the most recent that spring to my mind.

Step-father. Not that that makes it any better. [ohwell]
Posts: 4010 | From: my couch | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
Callipygous
BlabberMouth, a Blabber Odyssey
Member # 2071

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 17, 2009 16:47      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
So what purpose, really, does a bloated, out-of-touch organization serve?

Several purposes. First although there are a fair number of uncompromising rational atheists like yourself fs, they are not I think the majority, and I don't think they ever will be. The religious impulse is in my opinion a deep thing in human nature. Most people I believe want to be part of something bigger than their petty lives. As that Bob Dylan song puts it, "You've got to serve somebody". I don't know much about other religions, but Christianity is not something you do alone in your room with a book, it's about how you connect with society and the wider world and your church is a channel for that as well as a source of spiritual fuel and comfort for you. So if you are a Christian you will most probably feel the need for a church to connect with.

Now when people don't channel their religious impulse through a mainstream religion, it generally emerges in other more insidious and damaging forms, whether its the intolerance and rejection of reason of Christian fundamentalist churches, or even worse as you head into paranoid hate filled worlds of cults run by megalomaniacs such as the Moonies or Scientology. You could argue too that this misdirected religious impulse is what fuels utopian political movements of the extreme right or left, whether the Marxists with their vision of a socialist millennium, or the extreme right Republicans with their vision of spreading democracy and liberty around the globe.

No church is perfect. They are run by fallible human beings, as much susceptible to the corrupting effects of power and pride as the rest of us, but those dull middle of the road churches are so much better than the alternatives. It is therefore sad that so many people see hem as irrelevant, as I don't believe that religious impulse is fading.

And to answer the question posed by the thread, yes the religious right has done at least as much damage to the Christian religion as it has to politics, and that is a serious thing.

--------------------
"Knowledge is Power. France is Bacon" - Milton

Posts: 2922 | From: Brighton - UK | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged
ASM65816
SuperBlabberMouth!
Member # 712

Member Rated:
2
Icon 2 posted March 24, 2009 17:43      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Topic: Have Republicans turned America away from God?

posted March 17, 2009 11:28
I don't see the religious right turning people off to that extent. Yeah, they're repugnant, but ....

Why not ask a different question: Has Islamic violence "turned people away from god"?

Should one assume that the beheading of women (such as Aasiya Zubair) isn't a "turn-off"?
 

quote:
posted March 17, 2009 12:20
Trying to keep old ways current. And among other things, making sure a woman's body belongs to her husband or father. Example 1: Vatican's position about condom usage; example 2: the case of the abortion of a 9-year old Brazilian girl who had been raped by her father. And that's just the most recent that spring to my mind.

What about rape victims that are killed because they have "brought dishonor" upon their families?
 

quote:
posted March 17, 2009 16:47
... when people don't channel their religious impulse through a mainstream religion, it generally emerges in other more insidious and damaging forms, whether its the intolerance and rejection of reason of Christian fundamentalist churches, or even worse as you head into paranoid hate filled worlds of cults run by megalomaniacs such as the Moonies or Scientology. You could argue too that this misdirected religious impulse is what fuels utopian political movements of the extreme right or left, whether the Marxists with their vision of a socialist millennium, or the extreme right Republicans with their vision of spreading democracy and liberty around the globe.

[shake head]   It's _almost_ funny that you said "paranoid hate filled worlds of cults run by megalomaniacs" and failed to mention the groups associated with bombing London buses and Madrid trains.

PS: Maybe people "turn away from religion" because the media told them to (and not because of the acts of religions' followers).

--------------------
Once a proud programmer of Apple II's, he now spends his days and nights in cheap dives fraternizing with exotic dancers....

Posts: 1035 | From: Third rock from sun. | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
The Famous Druid

Gold Hearted SuperFan!
Member # 1769

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 24, 2009 17:55      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ASM!
Where've you been?
Long time no mock!

So, ASM, how are you enjoying life in the Socialist Islamic Caliphate of Obamarabia (SICO) ?

quote:
Quoth the confused one:
It's _almost_ funny that you said "paranoid hate filled worlds of cults run by megalomaniacs" and failed to mention the groups associated with bombing London

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Pure comedy gold ASM.

Can anyone guess which religion is most closely associated with terrorist attacks in London?

As Pope Jean-Luc Picard said to the Cylons while digging the Panama Canal, "We come in Peace, shoot to kill".

--------------------
If you watch 'The History Of NASA' backwards, it's about a space agency that has no manned spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on the Moon.

Posts: 10680 | From: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
geekygoddess
Highlie
Member # 15702

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted March 24, 2009 19:20      Profile for geekygoddess     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Holy Crap!!! He's back!!!

This is gonna be interesting...

--------------------
"It is better to press ones shirt, than ones luck"- Confucius

Posts: 661 | From: Edinburgh, United Kingdom | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged
ASM65816
SuperBlabberMouth!
Member # 712

Member Rated:
2
Icon 9 posted March 24, 2009 20:03      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
So, ASM, how are you enjoying life in the Socialist Islamic Caliphate of Obamarabia (SICO) ?
Well, since President Obama's diplomatic gift-giving of American DVD's that (generally) don't play in the recipient's country, I'm a bit dismayed.

Was he trying to be a complete moron, an arrogant (foreign) prick, or an anarchist (sowing discord between governments)?

What's next? Jack Daniel's and Jim Beam (alcoholic spirits) for the diplomats of Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia? Is he going to give "STEAK" knives and a leather cowboy outfit (made from real cows) to some dignitary of India?

... anyway, back to the topic.

According to "leftist" claims, "Bush" almost single-handedly turns "millions" away from "the Christian God" (not mention other acts far beyond the capabilities of mere mortals).

The outrageous behavior of the Iranian president shows no sign of turning people away from Islam. No one seems to have turned away from Islam because of high ranking clerics supporting the Taliban's barbaric intolerance against almost everything.

If you believe all the leftist rants, one thing should be clear: "Bush" is a GOD ... (probably from the Norse pantheon).

For the Atheists:
quote:
(Assuming) The more religious the culture, the more violent the country's behavior.
The less religious the culture, the less violence in the country and the greater the rationality of the people.
Therefore, America in becoming less and less religious has become more and more "peaceful" with every generation.

Given that, I'll "bet" there's no real Atheists here because (as leftists) they'd rather hate the US than openly criticize any country that (brutally) punishes those who deviate from the religion which dominates 99% of the masses.
 
quote:
This is gonna be interesting...
No it won't.       [evil]

--------------------
Once a proud programmer of Apple II's, he now spends his days and nights in cheap dives fraternizing with exotic dancers....

Posts: 1035 | From: Third rock from sun. | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
Colonel Panic
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation
Member # 1200

Icon 1 posted March 24, 2009 20:15      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Let's just remember ASM,

The real traitors are the Republicans who devoted themselves to causing America to fail.

Bush demonstrated that mission so well in Iraq, Afghanistan, with Katrina, Enron and so many other disasters. And your lord, god Rush Limbaugh has been so eloquent in his wish for American failure.

You desire for American failure cannot be denied.

Indeed the entire "Stars and Bars" Southern ethic to which you subscribe is failure driven. And as such it is a traitor belief.

As a traitor to America and its Constitution, you have disgraced the constitution with torture and murder. And as a failed Christian you have betrayed Christ just as Judas did, by trading your faith for greed.

Jesus said you could not serve two Gods. You serve greed.

You cannot serve two nations. It is evident you serve the terrorists.

Your own stated willingness to serve the almighty dollar above god also betrays your willingness to sell America to its enemies.

Give it up! Save yourself! Admit your crimes and set yourself free!

Please ASM for the sake of your own Mother.

CP

--------------------
Free! Free at last!

Posts: 1809 | From: Glacier Melt, USA | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
The Famous Druid

Gold Hearted SuperFan!
Member # 1769

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 24, 2009 21:43      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
...the usual anti-American drivel..

 
America hater!

ASM, have you forgotten? Criticizing the American president == pure hatred of America, apple pie, motherhood, and All That Is Good.


As King Johnnie Walker said to the Spartans at the battle of Key West "Yabba-dabba-doo!"

--------------------
If you watch 'The History Of NASA' backwards, it's about a space agency that has no manned spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on the Moon.

Posts: 10680 | From: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
Callipygous
BlabberMouth, a Blabber Odyssey
Member # 2071

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 05:17      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I know I speak on behalf of leftist lunatics everywhere when I say-

Welcome back ASM! [Applause]

I am glad to see you have recovered from that November aberration in America's bold march to freedom and the 1000 year Reich. I also understand why you should feel impelled to speak up for the religious right. Conning those suckers that there will be abortion reform and teaching of creationism, ummm... just real soon, is critical to your future electoral prospects. So you have to pretend to show some respect for them. They may be lunatics, but they are your lunatics.

Nonetheless I would counsel you to avoid debates about religion. It's not that you have no knowledge or understanding of the subject, I know you find that an advantage, after all a blank canvas gives you greater freedom to invent and create. It's more that you combine this with absolutely zero interest in the subject, leading to some rather flat and pedestrian posts. I enjoy flights of fancy into the crazy world of ASM much more when they combine with your genuine brain paralysing obsessions.

P.S. None of us here support Islamists, or terrorism. Islamists no more represent the religion of Islam, than Jehovah's Witnesses represent Christianity. Just an incy little reminder, as your circuits seem to find those pieces of information hard to retain.

--------------------
"Knowledge is Power. France is Bacon" - Milton

Posts: 2922 | From: Brighton - UK | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged
fs

Solid Nitrozanium SuperFan!
Member # 1181

Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 06:19      Profile for fs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by geekygoddess:
Holy Crap!!! He's back!!!

quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
No it won't.

Finally ASM got something right... it's really not.

quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
First although there are a fair number of uncompromising rational atheists like yourself fs, they are not I think the majority, and I don't think they ever will be. The religious impulse is in my opinion a deep thing in human nature. Most people I believe want to be part of something bigger than their petty lives.

As that Bob Dylan song puts it, "You've got to serve somebody". I don't know much about other religions, but Christianity is not something you do alone in your room with a book, it's about how you connect with society and the wider world and your church is a channel for that as well as a source of spiritual fuel and comfort for you. So if you are a Christian you will most probably feel the need for a church to connect with.

Now when people don't channel their religious impulse through a mainstream religion, it generally emerges in other more insidious and damaging forms, whether its the intolerance and rejection of reason of Christian fundamentalist churches, or even worse as you head into paranoid hate filled worlds of cults run by megalomaniacs such as the Moonies or Scientology. You could argue too that this misdirected religious impulse is what fuels utopian political movements of the extreme right or left, whether the Marxists with their vision of a socialist millennium, or the extreme right Republicans with their vision of spreading democracy and liberty around the globe.

No church is perfect. They are run by fallible human beings, as much susceptible to the corrupting effects of power and pride as the rest of us, but those dull middle of the road churches are so much better than the alternatives. It is therefore sad that so many people see hem as irrelevant, as I don't believe that religious impulse is fading.

And to answer the question posed by the thread, yes the religious right has done at least as much damage to the Christian religion as it has to politics, and that is a serious thing.

One of the main points of religion, historically, was explaining how the universe works and the occurrence of natural phenomena. It's already obsolete in that area, thanks to science.

Currently religion does still serve social needs, like finding community and a larger purpose, but iincreasingly there are other avenues than religion to fulfill them. Not just cults, but organizations and groups like Greenpeace or Amnesty International or even the Republican Party. The growth of those kinds of large, secular organizations is relatively recent in human societies, and like you pointed out, people do attach the same kind of dogmatic adherence to their principles and aims as they do religion.

But I don't think that there is an innate religious impulse in people. I think that it's largely social and due to upbringing. I think that the decrease in self-identifying Christians will perpetuate itself. Many people are just too busy, these days, to keep up with religion on top of working full-time and raising a family and keeping up with their other responsibilities.As those children are raised in an areligious atmosphere, it naturally becomes less important to them.

To me, that seems like the reason the middle of the road churches are the ones losing membership. It it were just people losing their taste for fundamentalism, the extreme churches would lose the followers and they'd wash up in the more relaxed middle.

Unfortunately, I think you're right about people channeling their uglier impulses to control into other causes. (Just because someone isn't particularly religious doesn't necessarily make them tolerant or fair or open-minded.)

--------------------
I'm in ur database, makin' moar recordz.

Posts: 1973 | From: The Cat Ship | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
spungo
BlabberMouth, a Blabber Odyssey
Member # 1089

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 07:17      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
As King Johnnie Walker said to the Spartans at the battle of Key West "Yabba-dabba-doo!"

[Applause] Oh, how I miss those. [Happytears]

--------------------
Shameless plug. (Please forgive me.)

Posts: 6529 | From: Noba Scoba | Registered: Jan 2002  |  IP: Logged
angryjungman

Solid Nitrozanium SuperFan!
Member # 2434

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 07:27      Profile for angryjungman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:

No church is perfect. They are run by fallible human beings, as much susceptible to the corrupting effects of power and pride as the rest of us,

Ahh, but you forget that the Pope is infallible according to Vatican I. Of course, it's a limited infallibility....

--------------------
Meh.

Posts: 633 | From: princeton, nj | Registered: Nov 2003  |  IP: Logged
The Famous Druid

Gold Hearted SuperFan!
Member # 1769

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 11:10      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by angryjungman:
Ahh, but you forget that the Pope is infallible

Can we put him in charge of the banks for a while?

--------------------
If you watch 'The History Of NASA' backwards, it's about a space agency that has no manned spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on the Moon.

Posts: 10680 | From: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
ASM65816
SuperBlabberMouth!
Member # 712

Member Rated:
2
Icon 4 posted March 25, 2009 19:43      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Nonetheless I would counsel you to avoid debates about religion.
... I enjoy flights of fancy into the crazy world of _____ much more when .....

Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
That's when all the demonic forces of the right wing will reveal themselves as agents of darkness by all looking exactly like Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh.

I figure there is only so much of the Lord's name the right can take in vain before the whole corrupt foundation of fundamentalist religion reveals itself as a hiding place for Satan himself.

Callipygous, do you really buy into Colonel Panic's "views" as knowledgeable or rational?

More to the point, are you simply a hypocrite that takes comfort in leftist rants, while despising anyone who disputes their beliefs?
 

quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
Indeed the entire "Stars and Bars" Southern ethic to which you subscribe is failure driven. And as such it is a traitor belief. As a traitor to America and its Constitution, you have disgraced the constitution with torture and murder.

[shake head]   Ok ... let's see how "the South" is to blame:
  • Wall Street, located in New York: Apparently home to insider trading, outrageous bonuses for failure, and so on....
        FYI: NEW YORK IS NOT IN "THE SOUTH"
     
  • Washington, D.C.: Home to multitudes of politicians whose reelection coffers are stuffed by the lobbyists for "special interests." Didn't Obama (from Chicago) promise to put a stop to earmarks? Nonetheless, those politicians still ran more than 8000 earmarks past him.
        FYI: D.C. IS NOT IN "THE SOUTH"
     
  • California: Home to Herbert and Marion Sandler who sold the (essentially) worthless Golden West Financial to Wachovia bank for $24 billion, causing its "collapse."
        FYI: CALIFORNIA IS NOT IN "THE SOUTH"
 
If Colonel Panic's psychotic and delusional rants about "the South" were remotely accurate, "Blacks" and "non-Christians" would be extinct in a dozen US states.

Maybe "the South" did it ... How, you say?
quote:
Mr. Conspiracy: Well, son, it's all about Alien Mind Control Rays. That story about Area-51 in the desert, all a hoax. Sheeut, the real Area-51 is in Carnesville, Georgia. We been makin' big-headed grey aliens squeal like pigs as long as NASCAR's been racin' cars. Yup, we control the politicians, the bankers, TV ... and the price of oil.

You could try blocking them Alien Mind Control Rays ... but you'd need straw hats ... Organic Nano-Fiber Straw Hats ... howevah', we ain't sellin' 'em to Yankees and Dirty Hippies.

 
In case you didn't notice ... I'm MOCKING YOU! <mock> <mock> <mock>

I DOUBLE-DOG-DARE-YOU ... tell "us" how Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, and the Carolinas BROUGHT THE WORLD TO ITS KNEES.

(I'll stop for now, I know how y'all get the brain-hurtin's from readin' too long.)
</condescending sarcasm>

--------------------
Once a proud programmer of Apple II's, he now spends his days and nights in cheap dives fraternizing with exotic dancers....

Posts: 1035 | From: Third rock from sun. | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
Colonel Panic
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation
Member # 1200

Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 20:23      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Your policies failed. Dumb southerners are the only ones still voting for the jerks who left this country in this mess.

Now, go fly your stars and bars proudly. It lets real Americans know where the stupid people live.

CP

--------------------
Free! Free at last!

Posts: 1809 | From: Glacier Melt, USA | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
The Famous Druid

Gold Hearted SuperFan!
Member # 1769

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 25, 2009 21:27      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ASM, please feel free to post here, and other internet forums, as often as you like.

The voting public have short memories, they need people like you to remind them what a pack of loonies the Republicans have become.

quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
FYI: CALIFORNIA IS NOT IN "THE SOUTH"

/me looks at a map.
/me laughs out loud.

As J.K.Rowling said to Mother Theresa after inventing the whoopie cushion, "♪I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok♫"

--------------------
If you watch 'The History Of NASA' backwards, it's about a space agency that has no manned spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on the Moon.

Posts: 10680 | From: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
ASM65816
SuperBlabberMouth!
Member # 712

Member Rated:
2
Icon 1 posted March 26, 2009 22:35      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Part I: An Explanation for Christian Numbers in Decline
quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
I have long believed that when Christ returns it will be the ... the religious right who will attempt to nail the Lord to a cross a second time.

... the whole corrupt foundation of fundamentalist religion ... a hiding place for Satan himself ... your lord, god Rush Limbaugh ... you have betrayed Christ just as Judas did ....

Simple explanation: Christians are "in decline" because they are constantly attacked.

Generally speaking, people don't like being harassed and slandered. Second, there are two basic responses to being attacked: fight, or run.

Colonel Panic has been a good example of the leftist hate and attacks founded on delusional paranoia which are directed at Christians on a (near) daily basis. However, Christians don't really "fight back" -- you generally won't see Christians marching around with "Death to Those Who Insult Jesus" signs.

Given the statements above, and the fact that Rush Limbaugh and conservatives don't spend much time attacking Christians, it's the leftists (supported by liberal media) that make people decide not to "stand with the church and be crucified" when "safety" can be gained by running away.

You might be tempted to say "if that's true then attacks on Islam should cause a decline in their religion" (and be wrong). Jihad is not about "running away," and the clerics in places like Iran and Afghanistan make it clear that "apostasy" and "blasphemy" (like in cartoons) will be met with (deadly) violence.
 

Part II: Some People See Beheadings, Leftists See Rainbows and Unicorns
quote:
March 25, 2009, 05:17
P.S. None of us here support Islamists, or terrorism. Islamists no more represent the religion of Islam, than Jehovah's Witnesses represent Christianity.

"You people" have made it ABUNDANTLY Clear that the "Religious Right" (plus the Pope) give you more than enough "authority" to judge "Christianity." Maybe you believe a nation of Atheists (possessing a sizable army) when attacked and attacked and attacked ... would never spill the blood of their enemies by war in retaliation. However, that would be a "freakin' stupid" belief.

Note: Given a society with diversity of ethnic groups, diversity of religious beliefs, range of education/economic status, and a near even split on political orientation -- "pure" and unchanging subcultures are less likely as the result of a "melting pot" effect.

Here's a rebuttal to "they don't represent Islam":

Thesis: Common Behavior by Three Different Ethnic Groups with One Common Religion Indicates Influence of Religion
  • Group 1: "Arabs" (Saudi Arabia) Sample Size 28 million -- 100% Muslim
  • Group 2: "Persians" (Iran) Sample Size 66 million -- 98% Muslim
  • Group 3: "Pashtun" (Afghanistan) Sample Size 33 million -- 99% Muslim
     
Common behavior: Claim that apostasy and expressing disagreement with Islamic doctrine are punishable by death. This claim is supported by the belief that Sharia (religious) law "justifies" (and demands) the behavior.

FYI: Execution is the ultimate censorship.

There's more, like the (socially accepted) brutality against women, but the observation above is enough to indicate that horrific atrocities and ignorance are promoted by Islamic doctrine.

I know the opposing argument: "That's only 125 million Muslims -- there's over a billion Muslims that don't insist on beheadings (as per Islamic law)."

Rebuttal: Muslims that follow secular law over Sharia law have been EXTREMELY Influenced by non-Muslim cultures. The presence of multinational corporations, financial institutions, and fashions (clothes) from around the world show the effects of secular influence (while religious influence may be reduced to cosmetic significance).

Finally, you seem proud that you don't "support Islamists or terrorism", but your apathy and indifference to murder for religious beliefs and power is appalling.

--------------------
Once a proud programmer of Apple II's, he now spends his days and nights in cheap dives fraternizing with exotic dancers....

Posts: 1035 | From: Third rock from sun. | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
The Famous Druid

Gold Hearted SuperFan!
Member # 1769

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 26, 2009 23:37      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
As Britney Spears said to Marie Antoinette at the opening of the United Nations in Prague in 1762, "Δx = vt + ½at²"

(Bet you didn't know Britney is a Physics geek [Wink] )

--------------------
If you watch 'The History Of NASA' backwards, it's about a space agency that has no manned spaceflight capability, then does low-orbit flights, then lands on the Moon.

Posts: 10680 | From: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
GrumpySteen

Solid Nitrozanium SuperFan
Member # 170

Icon 1 posted March 27, 2009 06:20      Profile for GrumpySteen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ASM65816 wrote:
Simple explanation: Christians are "in decline" because they are constantly attacked.

Generally speaking, people don't like being harassed and slandered. Second, there are two basic responses to being attacked: fight, or run.


There's a flaw in the logic behind your argument: Nobody who turns away from Christianity because of attacks on their religious beliefs is going to adopt a belief system that invites far more attacks and discrimination.

there are states with laws that require anyone elected to a public office to believe in God. Politicians run ads claiming that their opponents are godless. Atheism is routinely used as an argument for denying child custody and adoptions. Atheists can be fired from their jobs for not believing in God and have no recourse.

The fact is that atheists are routinely discriminated against in this country and the majority of Christians believe that it's okay to do so. They have no problem with religion being legally protected and lack of religion being open to abuse and they are the majority, so the discrimination continues.

"You people" have made it ABUNDANTLY Clear that the "Religious Right" (plus the Pope) give you more than enough "authority" to judge "Christianity."

I'm pretty sure this is the most insane thing you've ever said even though I can't even begin to interpret what the hell you're trying to say.

Maybe you believe a nation of Atheists (possessing a sizable army) when attacked and attacked and attacked ... would never spill the blood of their enemies by war in retaliation.

No, but I'd bet my life on the fact that a nation of atheists will never start a war and slaughter thousands of people because they thought God wanted them to.

I know the opposing argument: "That's only 125 million Muslims -- there's over a billion Muslims that don't insist on beheadings (as per Islamic law)."

Rebuttal: Muslims that follow secular law over Sharia law have been EXTREMELY Influenced by non-Muslim cultures. The presence of multinational corporations, financial institutions, and fashions (clothes) from around the world show the effects of secular influence (while religious influence may be reduced to cosmetic significance).


So... you're saying that anyone who claims to be Muslim who doesn't support terrorism and Sharia law are, in fact, not Muslims.

While I completely and totally disagree with it, at least now I know how you rationalize your belief that all Muslims are terrorists.

Posts: 6364 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Jan 2000  |  IP: Logged
Callipygous
BlabberMouth, a Blabber Odyssey
Member # 2071

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted March 27, 2009 06:40      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ASM even by your own "special" standards, those last two posts reach new heights of eye popping, spittle flecked incoherence, not to mention plain loopiness. Lefties persecuting poor scaredicat Christians too scared to go to church? What are you smoking? I guess you must still be really upset by events since November. Perhaps you should calm down before posting more.

--------------------
"Knowledge is Power. France is Bacon" - Milton

Posts: 2922 | From: Brighton - UK | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged


All times are Eastern Time
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | Geek Culture Home Page

© 2015 Geek Culture

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.4.0


homeGeek CultureWebstoreeCards!Forums!Joy of Tech!AY2K!webcam