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kimberly
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because i have no idea what this says:

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please say at least one of you knows.

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You may want to PM SilverBlade, she's from Hong Kong.
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Icon 1 posted July 13, 2005 11:31      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It's kanji, used by both China and Japan. Seems more like Japanese because it's not "fancy like calligraphy" (I don't know a technical term for that).

Characters from top to bottom (phonetics not adjusted for the actual words)

1. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
2. KA (hana) -- Flower
3. NYU (iri) -- Enter(s)
4. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
5. GAN (manako) -- Eye

Was it by something pretty? [Smile]

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I don't read Chinese or Japanese, but I do know that simplified kanji don't necessarily correlate to Japanese. Some time ago (read: I don't know when, perhaps the Cultural Revolution?) the Chinese government decided to create a new character set to increase literacy in China. Thus, there is the traditional ("fancy like calligraphy) Chinese and the simplified Chinese. There are also unofficial simplified character sets, like the one used for what we might call cursive.

But your translation passes the "makes sense" test, so in this case it probably is Japanese.

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:

1. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
2. KA (hana) -- Flower
3. NYU (iri) -- Enter(s)
4. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
5. GAN (manako) -- Eye

Was it by something pretty? [Smile]

So could it be the Japanese equivalent of "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder"?

(Danapoppa could also be of help, if he's still around... Has anyone seen him recently?)

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wow.

heh.

it was next to a lotus flower and i just wanted to get the whole effect. that's awesome [Smile] thanks [Smile]

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"Flowers look different in different eyes" or, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". (Well done, Stereo [Smile] )

Check it out here for more like it. This one's about a quarter of the way down the page.

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Icon 5 posted July 14, 2005 21:05      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm kind of curious about where you saw this and how you got the characters since it's not a photo from a camera. Looking up a few kanji out of several thousand in a font would be a real pain unless you're familiar with "radicals" and stroke counts.

FYI:
Chinese does have "Subject-Verb-Object" word order, so it could be literally correct and paraphrase to "The beauty of each flower is seen by everyone."

However, for the Japanese it would be as bad as "All your base are belong to us."
1. There's no verb. Japanese verbs are at the end of the sentence.
2. There's no verb because there's no conjugation of the verb. (example: NYU (iri) "Entering" + "Mouth" becomes (iriguchi) "Entrance" as on signs to buildings, etc. -- The character forms nouns if not conjugated.)
3. No "markers" for subject ("wa") or object ("o").

[Frown] I don't have the font for those Chinese proverbs, so I can't tell how similar they are to the "sign" in question.

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Thought I would post as I can read Chinese [Wink]
quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816

It's kanji, used by both China and Japan. Seems more like Japanese because it's not "fancy like calligraphy" (I don't know a technical term for that).

Characters from top to bottom (phonetics not adjusted for the actual words)

1. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
2. KA (hana) -- Flower
3. NYU (iri) -- Enter(s)
4. KAKU (ono-ono) -- Each
5. GAN (manako) -- Eye

Was it by something pretty?

I can't read Japanese, but I can read Chinese, and the characters read "Each flower to each persons eye" translating to 'Each to his own' or 'Each person has his own preferences' (like stereo said "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder")

EDIT: Also those characters in traditional and simplified Chinese are written the same.

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see...
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that is what it is, right?

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Good golly, Holly! When do you get the rest inked in? [Wink]

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the rest?

the only part that's left is the blank parts of the smoke because... well, it's smoke.

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He's pulling your leg....

Hence the [Wink]

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Nice tat kim...

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Indeed, very nice tat. When did you get it?

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quote:
(Danapoppa could also be of help, if he's still around... Has anyone seen him recently?)
I'm still lost in translation, but lurk around whenever I get a chance.

Hmmm .... "to each his own," yes. Well, it's either that or: "Watch where you're scattering those flowers, you're likely to put someone's eye out!" [Big Grin]

I did a quick search and was only able to find this phrase in Chinese contexts, so I'm pretty sure it's not a Japanese saying (although a Japanese person would be able to read all the characters and probably puzzle out the meaning). Unfortunately Danamomma is away on business today, so I can't ask her to confirm this.

I'd advise anyone interested in getting a Chinese character tattoo to be very careful. Sometimes you may not be getting what you think you're getting. Examples (some of them quite funny) abound in this site.

... That said, it is a nice tattoo, Kimberly. [Smile]

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I've been wanting to get a tattoo for some time now, and Amanda and I have agreed, once our wedding is over, we're going to go get tattoos. She wants to get a happy buddha on her ankle. I've always had an obsession with my country (Canada) and dragons. I'm toying with the idea of a dragon that has a red top and bottom, and a maple leaf on its stomach...
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
She wants to get a happy buddha on her ankle.

dnm

here is some info on the 'happy buddha' or 'laughing buddha'

He represents a Chinese Zen Master by the name of Po-Tai Hoshang. HE went through China with the bag of toys and gifts for children. He is not truly a buddha just a man that reached enlightenment. Or found the buddha within.

And then he became the symbol/god of good fortune and happiness.

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Ha ha, Danapoppa that was so funny...

I actually really dislike the trend of people having "exotic" calligraphic tattoos because they think it is cool - if you don't *really* understand what it means then having it tattooed on you is only for a fool - and it matters not whether you are talking Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Sanskrit/Arabic/Urdu or even English.

My neighbour is a Chinese woman and she tells me that a couple of altered strokes can effectively turn "Valiant Warrior" into "Snivelling Coward" or "Faithful Wife" into "Cheap Whore" - I don't know if she meant that literally or figuratively as I don't read kanji/kana or any other non-Roman alphabet (well I know some Greek and Cyrillc characters but I can't "read" Greek or any Cyrillic languages) but I took the point. If you don't *really know* what it says it could actually say anything!

Also I know a man (now retired) who spent most of his career working high up in the British Foreign Office (and latterly as a Cabinet Office adviser on foreign affairs). He is a talented "quick linguist" (he can pick up a language in a few weeks of study - though he admits he can forget them almost as quickly if not used...) Having spent a fair amount of time in the Far East he can speak passable Japanese and Mandarin and read Japanese and Chinese to reasonable level too (as you might expect). My brother and I once asked him if he could find us the Japanese characters for the name Gomi Designs meaning approximately "Junk" or "Trash" Designs - being a careful man as befits any diplomat he took great pains to rule out characters that could be interpreted as sh*t, Junk (as in the boat), etc. and it took him a couple of weeks to find something that he felt conveyed the right spirit of the "Japlish" name without any "nasty" connotations.

OK - I am rambling a bit here, but the point is if you know nothing about electrics would you stick your screwdriver into a live fusebox? No?

So why risk having "All your base are belong to us second stinky boy" tattooed on you when what you wanted was "when a man smells a rose the world belongs to him for that moment"?

Bleh - /rant

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