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theJacob
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Icon 9 posted December 27, 2001 19:35      Profile for theJacob     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
*Sigh* geek rating goes down a few notches...

Seriously. The best I have managed was a stalemate with us both down to a king.

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Icon 1 posted December 28, 2001 04:41      Profile for EngrBohn     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You've got company. I can't win against a computer, either, even at the novice level. I suspect I know why, though -- I tend to play defensively. It's widely recognized you cannot win a war by fighting defensively, and I'm sure the principle extends to playing chess.

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Icon 1 posted December 28, 2001 07:40      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sadly, the same pretty much applies to me. Only once did I actually beat the free chess program "Pocket Chess" for my Palm V. Every time I've played, it's at the absolute lowest level, and yet I couldn't do it, except one very lucky time. Having just taken "Introduction to Artificial Intelligence" in school, I can tell you that these programs (as you probably know) figure out many 'plies' (single moves) in advance, and evaluate which path will not only be the best for them, but cause the least scoring for you (The Minimax Evaluation Scheme). Unfortunately, unlike the great chess minds, I do not think many plies in advance, only trying to do well, and like EngrBohn said, play defensively.
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If being able to beat a computer at chess is a hallmark of geekdom, I guess I'll just have to hand in my membership card.

Not only can I not beat a computer at chess, but I can't usually win against another human, either. I don't like chess that much. Trivial Pursuit, I'll take all comers, but I just can't get into chess.


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Icon 1 posted December 28, 2001 10:43      Profile for Akira   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Me either.

That's why I took up Magic, though I couldn't keep up with the arms race.

But give me Star Wars trivial pursuit and I will 0wn joo!

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Icon 6 posted December 28, 2001 11:20      Profile for BlueAntoid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hah, I'm just as bad. I can usually stalemate if I'm feeling lucky.

As for Magic... well, I used to be really into the game, but my only opponent is incredibly more experienced than me. I could count the times I won against him over the past 4 years on one hand.

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Icon 1 posted December 28, 2001 15:14      Profile for Evilbunny   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Neither can a chess champion, humans are wired for pattern finding and art, while computers are mathematical. Do't get mad, get glad! (he, he, he, he,!
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Icon 1 posted January 03, 2002 11:19      Profile for DoctorWho     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have only beaten my computer twice at chess. I was playing it on level 3 of 12. Chess is ok, but I prefer backgammon. I can usually hold my own against a computer on the highest levels because of the random dice rolls.

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My strategy game of preference right now is Go, but I have a hard time finding anyone to play with. Neat thing about go is that even though programmers have been working on Go computer sims for about as long as chess sims, the best Go sims have a hard time competing at the professional level. Something about the intuitive nature of the game is difficult for computers. Hard part is finding people to play against. It's not quite as universal as chess, but is way more fun and much cooler.
For the record, I'm not much good against chess sims, either.

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ps. I agree fully with Akira on the arms race with Magic. And while my pride and joy was a rather expensive green/black deck, the one that seemed to work the best was my orcish artillary deck. Anyway, they're all rotting away in my closet now.


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This might add an extra dimension to the conversation. When Kasparov lost to Deep Blue, the second time he was playing, the point was brought up that Deep Blue was not made to beat a chess player, it was designed to beat Kasparov. While other computer programs, such as Chessmaster or Battle Chess (Heehee, funniest animations of chess anywhere, I swear.) may not have the computing capabilities of Deep Blue, they are probably not designed to play chess per se. They're designed to beat you.

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Icon 1 posted January 03, 2002 18:23      Profile for LifetimeTrekker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The only time I was able to beat a computer at chess was when I noticed a weakness in the program's countermoves and was then able to beat it several times in succession.

That was merely because I used the same moves repeatedly, but was making bets with others that I could beat it.

It kept me in lunch money for about a week.

I'm not into chess, though...I know the moves, that's it. I just have a knack for finding weaknesses and flaws.


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Do you know what we need? Self-esteem chess programs designed never to lose but to always force you to work to the best of your skills.

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Icon 6 posted January 13, 2002 17:27      Profile for Evilbunny   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, look. Chess and any other game that is programmed into a computer is pretty much hard to beat anyway. Unless it has almost infinite combinations.
Take go, which has 2^750 number of combos, that game is much easier to beat a computer at. And is also one of the most challenging things to program!

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It's easy enough to beat the computer at Rock-Scissors-Paper and there are only six possible combinations there.
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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2002 08:36      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
9 combinations for rock-paper-scissors (you have to count the ties).

I can't beat a well-written computer chess program, but I can spank the hell out of the AI in Civilization: Call to Power or Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. So that's gotta count for something... right?

Oh yeah, and I can beat almost any computer in a foot race!


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Oh yeah, and I can beat almost any computer in a foot race!

Heh. Reminds me of a remark I once read. Back in the days when I thought I *might* be able to beat the computer if only I studied the game, I read a book about the different strategies. The author mentioned an anecdote about the first successful computer chess program. The authors wanted to take it for a demo at an international chess competition in the Soviet Union, but the Soviets refused to permit it, saying that it would be importing a weapon. The author then editorialized, remarking that the only way it could have been used as a weapon was if the computer were dropped out of the airplane onto somebody.

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quote:
If being able to beat a computer at chess is a hallmark of geekdom, I guess I'll just have to hand in my membership card.

This geek here, does not even know how to play chess. how sad is that?
Nayt

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I played once, got beaten pretty badly. Too bad I didn't have an opponent.......Z
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zorro you crack me up sometimes.
Nayt

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quote:
Originally posted by macadddikt18:
zorro you crack me up sometimes.
Nayt


I try to be nice occasionally, I can'b be an ass all the time...............(oh yeah, and I was sooooo tempted to use the "I can beat Myself line, but that would be going too far........oops I just wrote it)...........Z


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Icon 1 posted February 14, 2002 00:46      Profile for Nemo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess I'll join the "I can't play chess" company.
I sometimes played with my sister's chess game, and won, using my own rules. But I guess that doesn't count, since I was like five or something.

Jidabug;
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Icon 1 posted February 14, 2002 05:36      Profile for Swiss Mercenary     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You are on for Trivial Pursuit, but none of the Scandinavian versions please

US or UK version?


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Icon 1 posted February 19, 2002 00:38      Profile for Nemo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Swiss Mercenary:
You are on for Trivial Pursuit, but none of the Scandinavian versions please

US or UK version?


You decide, I'm always up for a game or two.
Roll the dice and ask away.

Besides, the Scandinavian versions sucks big time.


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Icon 12 posted February 19, 2002 07:49      Profile for Swiss Mercenary     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok then; anyone want to work out how we are going to proceed here?

Anyone want to help host the board?


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Icon 1 posted February 20, 2002 00:45      Profile for Nemo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, game's on!

Mmm, Swiss Mercenary, we have a slight problem...

Seems like we need a third/fourth/fifth part to control the game - keep track of score, ask questions etc etc etc...

Any ideas??? Any voulenteers??? Anyone???


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