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TonyRad
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Icon 1 posted July 23, 2003 21:02      Profile for TonyRad         Edit/Delete Post 
Oi.. I just don't get it. Windows "longhorn", what's so special about it? I got a friend who is "into computers" and today he said "Linux = Bad, windows = roxor" or something like that. anyways, I asked him why windows was so good, he replied things such as, "linux is boring" "you cant do anything on linux" "bill gates owns windows" "longhorn will be off the hook" etc, etc, etc, etc... my replies were along the lines of "i can do the same thing on linux as you can on windows, the only thing i would say windows has that linux doesnt is compatability" "why is longhorn so cool?" "everybody owns linux and can freely contribute" "according to the preview i'm reading longhorn looks just like xp but gaudier". so.. what do you guys think about longhorn? is there really any /real/ difference? I just don't get the whole OS wars thing...

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Icon 1 posted July 23, 2003 21:15      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Allow me to quote Rednivek here (something I never thought I'd do):
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OS Wars..........boring............
Verbatim (Edit: found with the help of grep after original post)
(18:29:44) RedNivek: OS WarzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

I think this is much more interesting computing technology [Wink] .

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Icon 1 posted July 23, 2003 21:53      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sounds to me like your friend is trolling you [Wink]

Longhorn doesn't seem that radical from what I've seen so far. It will be interesting to see how the Palladium stuff is received (digital rights management stuff). Oh, and the database-like-filesystem thing looks vaguely interesting. But I doubt Windows XP users are going to be signing up in the droves to upgrade.

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The Palladium stuff is the stuff of paranoid dreams. I usually laugh at conspiracy theorists, but as Microsoft never fails to live up to your lowest expectations, Palladium bothers me greatly.

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TonyRad
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Icon 5 posted July 24, 2003 08:27      Profile for TonyRad         Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, I've heard you guys say this a lot "trolling". What is trolling?

And what is this palladium stuff? I read a little bit about it but I wasn't sure what it was supposed to be?

The thing I read said something about 'surpassing the taskbar in Mac OS X and Linux' or something like that, what can really be done to a taskbar to surpass... any ideas?

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Icon 3 posted July 24, 2003 08:33      Profile for Cap'n Vic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Trolling has a few meanings......Think of fishing....someone comes in and baits a person or person into a war of words. The topic is usually trivial.

Ex: Coming into GC and saying "All geeks suck"

Being called a troll *visualize a hideous, lonely creature living under a bridge* is not a good thing.

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Yes, but it may also indicate someone who generally misleads others to whatever ends - or creates situations that amuse only themselves.

However, there can sometimes be a fine line between being trollish and just being a bit of a (harmless) wanker. It's a weighty claim to make about an individual - and one that should only be used sparingly.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:

However, there can sometimes be a fine line between being trollish and just being a bit of a (harmless) wanker. It's a weighty claim to make about an individual - and one that should only be used sparingly.

Sez You, ya wanker [Wink]

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Then there are these:


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quote:
Originally posted by Mister Boo:
quote:
Originally posted by spungo:

However, there can sometimes be a fine line between being trollish and just being a bit of a (harmless) wanker. It's a weighty claim to make about an individual - and one that should only be used sparingly.

Sez You, ya wanker [Wink]
[Eek!] [Eek!] Oh, well - what can you expect from a colonist. [Wink]

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quote:
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Originally posted by Mister Boo:

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Originally posted by spungo:

However, there can sometimes be a fine line between being trollish and just being a bit of a (harmless) wanker. It's a weighty claim to make about an individual - and one that should only be used sparingly.
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Sez You, ya wanker
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I don't know if others agree, but I draw a subtle distinction between trolling and a troll. Some people troll occasionally, and relate conventionaly most of the time, and others troll consistently. I would only refer to a troll as the second kind. Incidentally, trolling to my mind is similar to baiting, or stirring (is that an Aussie specific word?)
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Icon 1 posted July 25, 2003 15:45      Profile for Shinaku   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Palladium is to stop copying software isnt it?
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It's not known as Palladium anymore. It's the "Trustworthy Computing Initiative." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! [Big Grin]
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Here is information on TCPA/Pallidium: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

GMx: I think TCPA is the general idea of "trusted computing" and Pallidium is Microsoft's "trusted computing".

From what I've seen/heard Longhorn's new features are Pallidium, WinFS (the database filesystem), and some new (minor) interface changes. Note that Longhorn is at either pre-alpha or early-alpha stages, so the feature list may change.

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No matter what it's called, it's still funny. I'm just glad my computing world doesn't revolve around Billy Gates. [Big Grin]
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To paraphrase RMS is means that the programmer can trust the ahrdware to obey them rather than trust your hardware to obey you.
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"Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them, not obey someone else. With a plan they call "trusted computing," large media corporations (including the movie companies and record companies), together with computer companies such as Microsoft and Intel, are planning to make your computer obey them instead of you. Proprietary programs have included malicious features before, but this plan would make it universal.

"Proprietary software means, fundamentally, that you don't control what it does; you can't study the source code, or change it. It's not surprising that clever businessmen find ways to use their control to put you at a disadvantage. Microsoft has done this several times: one version of Windows was designed to report to Microsoft all the software on your hard disk; a recent "security" upgrade in Windows Media Player required users to agree to new restrictions. But Microsoft is not alone: the KaZaa music-sharing software is designed so that KaZaa's business partner can rent out the use of your computer to their clients. These malicious features are often secret, but even once you know about them it is hard to remove them, since you don't have the source code.

"In the past, these were isolated incidents. "Trusted computing" would make it pervasive. "Treacherous computing" is a more appropriate name, because the plan is designed to make sure your computer will systematically disobey you. In fact, it is designed to stop your computer from functioning as a general-purpose computer. Every operation may require explicit permission."

-- Richard M. Stallman

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One more reason I am looking into linux.

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Anyway you look at it, Longhorn is a bum steer. me/runs and hides [Big Grin]
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<sarcasm style="rant">

Longhorn will be the best Windows EVER! You'll never be able to be sued by the RIAA, becuase it will protect your internet files and your internet IP address that your computer is broadcasting! With the New Look An d Feel" you'll move easily navigate though any folder that starts with "My" and our new MS Flag Waver will help that damn dog and the paper clip when you loose your stupid music! With 3D built right into the GUI you'll never need to use one of those low end Radeon 9000 video cards again, and with a base install size of over 2GB and 50,000 files your harddrive would have to be replaced. Why not upgrade. The new file structure also hide things from you better and ensures non-interoperability. Don't forget security, MS has added tons of new features" to protect your computer and enhance your internet expeirence! You will also have to install updates becuase we take the control of this this confusing operation from you, and make it an essential part of your computers operation on the internet. This Windows will have the most advanced copy protection of the overpriced OS ever! Every new service pack will cripple all illegal copies of Windows. And don't think we aren't keeping a good eye one you, becuase MS cares about its customers. In short Windows is 1336 and resistance in futile. All Your Base are Belong to Us!
---Bill G.
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http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_aero.asp

just saw this on /. had to let ya'll know. If you look at the top right most screenshot, near the bottom of the picture, we can see that MS now measures storages size by the number for songs. And my theory about longhorn being XP without so much blue, that got shot down too. Well at least you have less desktop realestate, and (it looks like) the background changes depending on what your doing!

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My veiw on longhorn is that its just XP with a few new programs to further invade our privacy and they got ride of some bugs. The important thing though is they left enough bugs in so that they can create a upgrade called "WINDOWS 2."

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