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Icon 1 posted September 13, 2002 15:31      Profile for Minsc     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:

...I specifically remember one reviewer commenting that the only thing better would be if you could hang it on the wall and use a cordless keyboard & a cordless mouse.


What was that reviewer smoking? You couldn't hang it on a wall because of the laptop hardware hot-glued and stapled to the bottom of the monitor! It would be just as likely that I could hang my car on the wall in the garage to get it out of the way.

Myself, I think it would be great if they filled it with candy so when you were sick and tired of another lame-ass Gateway you could hang it from a tree and pop it like a piňata! ¡Muy bueno!

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2 simple Words, 3 syllables
Gateway Sucks [Smile]

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Well...that was fun =)

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Minsc, the reviewer was commenting on how it had a much smaller footprint than a typical computer setup, which is a very important consideration on any desk, and even more important on small desks (such as those in an 8'x8' cubicle). Now, wouldn't it be nice if you could remove it entirely from your desk?

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quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:
Minsc, the reviewer was commenting on how it had a much smaller footprint than a typical computer setup, which is a very important consideration on any desk, and even more important on small desks (such as those in an 8'x8' cubicle). Now, wouldn't it be nice if you could remove it entirely from your desk?

It would be nice to remove any Gateway from a desk. [Big Grin] (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
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Icon 1 posted September 16, 2002 12:51      Profile for Minsc     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:
Minsc, the reviewer was commenting on how it had a much smaller footprint than a typical computer setup, which is a very important consideration on any desk, and even more important on small desks (such as those in an 8'x8' cubicle). Now, wouldn't it be nice if you could remove it entirely from your desk?

Well sure, but that goes for any hardware really. While we're wishing, let's up and get the executive armchairs with heat and massage as well!
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Icon 10 posted September 19, 2002 11:34      Profile for TORDONOFFON     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey if you can't say anything nice...sit by me. Gateway does make a very pretty computer BOX so just keep it in the cardboard. TR

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No one seemed to mention that asides from the fact that Gateway sucks, they sure did say a lot of misleading information that your average consumer may be swayed by.

Thousands more software titles? Perhaps, that's they way of the world, but what about the quality of the software? And the need to have 15 different office programs, 15 different image editors, et cetera

Gateway is faster, bigger hard drive, The Profile 4 SE, which is the $999 "cheaper than the iMac" they are touting sure isn't. The Profile X, perhaps, but it's not the cheaper price the tout in the commercial. Interesting how the truth can be bent to sway an uneducated consumer.

They of course make no mention of the OS, and included software the iMac has, and the fact that in 3 years the Profile 4 will be obsolete, but the iMac will still be damn useful. Oh, and the Profile is damn ugly. Especially when they sit it beside not one, but 3 iMacs. Not very good if they are going for the whole form factor. The little disclaimer that states "Monitor and base movement is simulated" is priceless. Unlike the iMac, which can indeed be moved around in any direction.

You know Apple is doing something right when PC companies feel they need to compete with them. It's actually quite flattering.

Too bad the average consumer is a bit daft and gullable.

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Icon 12 posted September 23, 2002 12:41      Profile for Minsc     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Orbhead:
The little disclaimer that states "Monitor and base movement is simulated" is priceless. Unlike the iMac, which can indeed be moved around in any direction.

It amazes me that the a computer company would use the same tactic toy companies employ to make Barbie and Action-Man seem to move on their own in order to sell their product to kids... even more amazing is the fact that many adult consumers will expect the monitor to move in this manner.
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hmmm..

mac does similiar stuff on their store website..

its prevented me from getting a mac for a few months now.. the nice one with what i want is uber expensive yet they advertise the price of the cheapest model in the link and put the feature that the high end model ships with.

as for the competition between pc and mac.. hey my case is getting cooler and cooler looking thanks to Steve jobs getting pc companies to think different. so it should continue for a long long time.

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quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
hmmm..

mac does similiar stuff on their store website..

its prevented me from getting a mac for a few months now.. the nice one with what i want is uber expensive yet they advertise the price of the cheapest model in the link and put the feature that the high end model ships with.

as for the competition between pc and mac.. hey my case is getting cooler and cooler looking thanks to Steve jobs getting pc companies to think different. so it should continue for a long long time.

Well the old "bait and switch" is done by pretty much everybody. The whole "moving in impossible ways" thing is what I find particularly amusing in this instance.
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Icon 1 posted September 25, 2002 11:27      Profile for Minsc     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
HEY! A few more posts and I will have my first thread that ran over 1 page in length! Write more stuff! Go all "flame" on me or something... I don't care! I'd do it for you... really! "YOU"RE A BIG, FAT STUPIDHEAD!" See?
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I shall not help you inflate this thread with meaningless pos...
oh, wait.

damn

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quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:
I shall not help you inflate this thread with meaningless pos...
oh, wait.

damn

HA! Another fly entangled within my insidious web of, um...

post?

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Here's an article that may be of interest to you all. I got it from the Kibbles&Bytes e-newsletter published by Small Dog Electronics.

Just for what it's worth, I have since unsubscribed to that newsletter because the writer, Don Mayer makes me so mad with all his liberal soapbox krapp. (like why we should not invade Iraq because there is a diplomatic solution and . . . man, I can't get started on that this junk this early in the morning. It puts my blood pressure up. Grrrr.)

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GATEWAY GAFFE

Last week I mentioned the Gateway commercial comparing their flat panel machine to the iMac. Aside from the fact that they had to use animation to give their computer move anything close to the degree of motion an iMac has, Gateway apparently also had to fudge their testing to make the claim of speed advantages! Not surprisingly, the Gateway testing said that the iMac was really slow compared to their entry. Well, Jason Wooten at Visual Dynamics (an Apple Specialist) took a closer look at the testing. With the caveat that Jason's testing was informal, here's his report:

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The report compares a Gateway (iMac rip-off -- you've probably seen the commercial), iMac 700 CD/RW, the high-end Gateway, and the 17-inch iMac. All four were compared in four separate "speed" tests.

1. 3D Video performance, using Quake III demo 2. Java web page loading, using iBench 3.0 3. Boot-up timing 4. Time to load a 2.41M 104 page PDF into Acrobat Reader 5.0

According to the results of the test, strangely enough, the low-end Gateway beat the iMacs in all of the above by far. (Imagine that!)

Our experience with the iMacs didn't match up with Gateway's results. Off and testing we went.

1. Quake III Tests

What they say: Their testing shows frame rates on the 17-inch iMac around 42 fps, and on the 15-inch iMac around 29 fps, and the Gateways were up around 120-140 fps.

What the reality is: etestinglabs, in all of their wisdom, didn't (and still doesn't) understand that Quake III Demo (from 1999) is NOT an OS X product. Therefore, they installed it and ran it in Classic mode under X. Duh. I emailed and confirmed this with them. Even though it was *clearly* pointed out to them that they are running this test in an "emulated" OS, and they acknowledge it, their excuse is "...the tests focuses on the typical home user...who expects the computer to work as-is, out of the box." Of course, which typical home user "out of the box" knows to go to the internet, search for the Quake III Demo (from 1999), download it, install it, and then determine that the frame rates are slow? And then not think to see if there are any updates? You know, if they can download the software, they can probably (in most cases) figure out there is an update.

Our testing shows that when you run Q3Demo on a 17-inch booted into OS 9, it cruises at about 80 fps (double what they reported). Additionally, if you install Q3 with the OS X update and check the fps, you are well over 100 consistently.

Bottom line: Their tests were bogus.

2. We couldn't duplicate the iBench 3.0 tests because you have to have an iBench server to do the tests. Hmmmm.

3. Boot-Up Time

What they say: The Gateway boots from a power-off condition to power on and ready to use in about 27 seconds. The iMac(s) took about 1:20.

The reality: After a visit to the Gateway store, we couldn't find ANY Gateway that booted and was ready to use in 27 seconds. The ones we tested averaged around 40 seconds. The iMacs came in at approx 54 seconds -- so the Gateways were faster on this test: However...

Bottom line: How often to does a user have to wait for a Mac to boot? Is this even a valid test? We realize that booting a PC occurs more frequently, due to saaaay, crashes / blue screens / illegal operations / installing drivers etc. etc. Does the fact you don't generally have to boot a Mac over and over again come in to play?

4. Load a 2.4M PDF

What they say: The Gateways load a 2.4M PDF in about 5 seconds. The iMacs can take as long as 13s on the 15-inch and almost 8s on a 17-inch.

The reality: What? Are these guys nuts? Our Mac tests made it really clear. We decided to open a 6M 232 page (Apple LaserWriter service manual) PDF on the iMac 17. It opened in 4 seconds flat. A little longer on the 15-inch. The iMacs smoked the Gateways in opening PDF documents. They should have opened a 20M PDF and seen the difference. iMac = 7s, Gateway, after 2 illegal operations, took 18s (about a minute if you include the illegal operations).

Bottom line: The guys probably tested opening the file in Acrobat 5 in Classic. The results they provided on the iMacs were wrong -- way wrong.

More info: 1) The new Gateway computers do NOT swivel like the iMac -- they only tilt up and down. 2) The 999 Gateway apparently (according to their site) doesn't include a modem. It's $30 more. 3) The 999 Gateway doesn't include a CD/RW. It's a standard CD drive. Add another $100 for this. 4) There is no Superdrive option on any of the new Gateways. 5) To get your Gateway, add approx $85 in shipping. 6) Gateway doesn't include Quicken (another upgrade).

Our tests were informal -- We just took a 15-inch and 17-inch iMac out of a box, updated them to 10.2, installed Quake III Demo, and did the above tests. We matched our "test-bed" to be as close to etestinglabs.com's as possible.

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Thanks, Jason for doing some of this testing. I am always suspicious of these tests, whether it's Steve and Phil at Macworld or Gateway plugging their new hardware. The bottom line is that there is little comparison of the design of an iMac to the Gateway and the difference in SOFTWARE tilts the balance to the iMac. It's great to be able to say this, but it's really true that with Apple's suite of digital lifestyle software and Mac OS X 1.2, Apple seems to have the software lead!

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QuiGonValjean, I guess that shouldn't come as being too surprising when they are so hungry for sales.

Love the name by the way- anything to do with Les Miserables (Victor Hugo- NOT Broadway)?

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must... reach... 2... pages...
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quote:
Love the name by the way- anything to do with Les Miserables (Victor Hugo- NOT Broadway)?
Sorta, yeah. I love the musical version of Les Mis, and Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi. There IS sorta a connection between the two; Liam Neeson performed both Valjean and Qui-Gon, and they rhyme. And the name sounds cool, too. As long as the name sounds cool, it doesn't really matter much if it means next to nothing after all! ;-)

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Icon 1 posted October 14, 2002 04:21      Profile for Minsc     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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Originally posted by QuiGonValjean:
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Love the name by the way- anything to do with Les Miserables (Victor Hugo- NOT Broadway)?
Sorta, yeah. I love the musical version of Les Mis, and Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi. There IS sorta a connection between the two; Liam Neeson performed both Valjean and Qui-Gon, and they rhyme. And the name sounds cool, too. As long as the name sounds cool, it doesn't really matter much if it means next to nothing after all! ;-)
Oh yeah- that's right! I forgot that Liam Neeson played Valjean! Great job too. I liked that they didn't rape the story of it's redemption theme and turn it into some lousy tale of revenge.
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Originally posted by Minsc:
Soooo- is that flat-panel Gateway monstrosity (the one that back-flips over 3 iMacs) simply the ugliest all-in-one wannabe you've ever seen or what? It looks like they hot-glues a laptop to the bottom of a monitor!

Yeesh... I'm still nauseated after seeing that commercial.



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quote:
Originally posted by Minsc:
Soooo- is that flat-panel Gateway monstrosity (the one that back-flips over 3 iMacs) simply the ugliest all-in-one wannabe you've ever seen or what? It looks like they hot-glues a laptop to the bottom of a monitor!

Yeesh... I'm still nauseated after seeing that commercial.

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Maybe the monitors flat shape will make it lighter and thus allow more distance to be covered as it is thrown out of the windows of dissatisfied users. Just a thought.


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