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hey-U
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 06:55      Profile for hey-U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's a depressing news item:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3164463.stm

"Want to be Bill or Gareth Gates?"

[Frown]

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Tyler Durden
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 08:22      Profile for Tyler Durden     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You can't deny that Bill Gates helped spread the popularity of computers. Gareth Gates just plain sucks. Those kids (I'm 20) are on the right track.

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GMx

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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 08:45      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Who the hell is Gareth Gates? [Confused]
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hey-U
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 09:00      Profile for hey-U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
GMx: Who the hell is Gareth Gates?
Manufactured pop star: see link below for the awful truth:

http://www.ggates.co.uk/

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schnurren
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 09:57      Profile for schnurren     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I like it that kids think computer programmers are cooler than whorey pop stars.
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GMx

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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 10:17      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm glad we don't have any manufactured stars over here in the US. (sarcasm) [Roll Eyes] I'm also glad that Robbie Williams isn't that big over here. [Big Grin]
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Tyler Durden
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 12:00      Profile for Tyler Durden     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
I'm glad we don't have any manufactured stars over here in the US. (sarcasm) [Roll Eyes] I'm also glad that Robbie Williams isn't that big over here. [Big Grin]

I thought he was pretty big when he was in Take That?

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GMx

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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 12:31      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Take That? Never heard of them... But then my taste in music is obscure. I only listened to indie bands through the '80's and '90's. [Smile]
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Tyler Durden
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 12:49      Profile for Tyler Durden     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's the group Robbie Williams was in before he went solo. Kind of like George Michael and Wham!, the other guy just dropped off the face of the planet.

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Cap'n Vic

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quote:
Originally posted by Tyler Durden:
....Kind of like George Michael and Wham!, the other guy just dropped off the face of the planet.

Actually, that guy dropped to his knees in a mens bathroom stall.....he has been there ever since. [Big Grin]
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 16:25      Profile for unclefungus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Nearly a quarter of teenagers in the poll want to "work with computers"
Can we Data Entry Specialist? That will be there job title, you get to use computers. [Smile] I really think people who just "want to work with computers " are in it for the money, I have abit of pride going into all the computers I build, fix, or upgrade. It's like people with their cars almost. Then you get these two bit guys fresh off the chopping block who will go program of big companies like M$/Dell/Etc with no thought of ever looking back. Granted,any thing computerrelated can be easy some days, and many can do it, but if you're in it for the money you're in it for the wrong reason. Just like any job.

BTW: I only read the first paragraph of that article, thats why I only posted in that part [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 20:33      Profile for Punk Rawk Poet     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Today's youth is disgusting. it's all about money, and themselves. I hate being young. [devil wand]

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hey-U
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Icon 1 posted August 20, 2003 23:12      Profile for hey-U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
But is Bill Gates *really* the "best" computer- related role model? He may be the most well known and (probably) the most commercially successful, but are those really the most important values that we should be recommending to The Yoof Of Today?
[Confused]
Better log out before I turn into an old hippy... Oops! Too late! [Big Grin]
<neil>oh no! Heav-eee...</neil> [Wink]

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Icon 1 posted August 21, 2003 07:04      Profile for Drazgal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Read it in context, as a youth (ish) of the UK I can say firmly that people of my age and younger do not want to be like Bill Gates at all. Most view him as geeky, nerdy (death calls to an image for most teenagers) and the sheer amount of un/mis-informed microsoft hatred assures me that they do not want to be like him [Smile]

Then again Satan is a better role model than Gareath gates, hell atleast Satan has principles! (not good ones mind).

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Also notice that it was BBC that wrote that. I know that most of my friends would absolutely hate a job with computers. Most US teens are more interested in looks and popularity that comes with garith (I have no idea who he is tho) then the "nerdy computer stuff" that comes with willy.

I don't like this whole pop music deal thats goin on now either... I prefer ska/punk/80's/70's/90's/accoustic stuff.. [Smile]

and yes, the youth of today (a large majority) is very disturbing because they want either money or popularity and they listen to their music because everybody else does and they want to be cool.

Tony Rad

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Icon 1 posted August 21, 2003 09:47      Profile for maxomai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by TonyRad:
and yes, the youth of today (a large majority) is very disturbing because they want either money or popularity and they listen to their music because everybody else does and they want to be cool.

This is no different than the youth of my "day", back in the late 80s and early 90s.

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Good point, max... I would feel the same way if it were like that.. I still think it's really lame to listen to music because its "cool" tho. no matter what generation. I'd much rather listen to a band i like than a band i hate but some one else says they like. but then again.. maybe thats just me...

Tony Rad

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Icon 1 posted August 21, 2003 22:35      Profile for DigitalBill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by hey-U:
But is Bill Gates *really* the "best" computer- related role model? He may be the most well known and (probably) the most commercially successful, but are those really the most important values that we should be recommending to The Yoof Of Today?

I nominate (in descending order of importance):
  • Steve "Woz" Wozniak
  • Linus Torvalds
  • Steve Jobs
  • Scott McNealy
  • Grace Hopper (well, why not)
  • Everyone who works with, supports, or belives in Open Source

I'm sure I'm forgetting someone... but it's late. Michael Dell and Billy Gates are not even close.

=db

...what about peter gabriel?

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hey-U
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db: good call matey!
[Smile]

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Richard M. Stallman
Donald Knuth
Alan Turing
Charles Babbage & Ada Lovelace
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GameMaster
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Icon 1 posted August 23, 2003 02:02      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by DigitalBill:
quote:
Originally posted by hey-U:
But is Bill Gates *really* the "best" computer- related role model? He may be the most well known and (probably) the most commercially successful, but are those really the most important values that we should be recommending to The Yoof Of Today?

I nominate (in descending order of importance):
  • Steve "Woz" Wozniak
  • Linus Torvalds
  • Steve Jobs
  • Scott McNealy
  • Grace Hopper (well, why not)
  • Everyone who works with, supports, or belives in Open Source

I'm sure I'm forgetting someone... but it's late. Michael Dell and Billy Gates are not even close.

=db

...what about peter gabriel?

The WOZ before Linus? And no mention of Stallman? And what about Hall? I suppose the list would have to include the The Three Amigos: Fowler, Scott, Booch -- granted they'd be a ways down on the list. Higher on the list you'd have the university geeks of old from MIT and Berkley.

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