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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 09:08            Edit/Delete Post 
99% of consumers, for whom the iMac is designed, never "go under the hood", so to speak. You definitely sound like a pro user, and the iMac is not for you. See, some people don't like ripping a computer's guts out, investigating its entrails, and improving on it. Some of us just like to work with beautiful, powerful, affordable, elegant machines.

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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 09:23      Profile for Zwilnik   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I want to get one later this year to replace my Cube, but I've just seen the UK prices on the Apple Store. £1600 for the $1799 high end machine. Even after VAT that's a major price hike (especially when they're being made in Ireland).

I think they're extremely good value for money in the US, but not so good here.


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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 13:01      Profile for GrumpySteen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It looks nice, although it's not a design that I would personally want. They really should offer it with a larger screen, however, if only as an option. It does have a video out, which would allow you to hook a better monitor to the unit, but that's a klunky solution and the specifications page seems to indicate that the video out is still going to be limited to 1024x768, despite the fact that the chipset is quite capable of 1920x1200 resolution.
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I think I'll get one this summer, when the new models come out and these are priced down a bit.

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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 13:32            Edit/Delete Post 
standart 1.33:1 display is a big disappointment. they got to add a 16:9 lcd version to the line. the rest is more than ok.
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Icon 14 posted January 08, 2002 13:43            Edit/Delete Post 
uhhhh what happens in 6 months when that chrome rod gets tired and the joints fail. i can just see 6 million imac users propping their slouching lcds up with duct tape, books, superglue, nuts and bolts, etc. Can anyone say viagra?

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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 13:47      Profile for Zwilnik   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the joints are properly bearinged and machined, then they should be good for a few years. Unless you spend all day shaking the screen around.

As a side note (and possible project for the hardware minded) a USB controlled servo kit for the arm would be *VERY* cool


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USB would be gross overkill.  Something like I²C would be more like it.
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Icon 3 posted January 08, 2002 14:14      Profile for joliet_jane     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heh, How about breaking the arm on purpose and moving the screen elsewhere? The folks who hang out at applefritter.com would'nt be able to resist. And if someone there made a 21-in. screen oldskool iMac, the new one will be a cinch.


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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2002 22:56      Profile for DigitalBill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep... I like it...

Went down to the show this morning and people were waiting 4 deep to see it... Apple has 6 rows of them at the show...

check out my pics from the show at http://www.maccenter.com/news/2002/mwsf/Gallery2/index.htm

And, sadly, I'll have to get one of these, too... I mean, it's perfect for the living room... and the bedroom (though the TiBook's usually in there)... Just think, log into my house server via Airport, and access my photo archive with iPhoto... leave that cool slideshow running when I'm not surfing with it and it becomes, as Jonathan Ives said, art.

BTW, iPhoto has some shortcomings like how it names and dates the "Rolls" and that you can't rename the rolls, only make Albums with your names, you can't re-order or sort albums, and the pictures all will be stored in a strange hiearchy in /users/you/pictures/iPhoto Library/. But, it's a 1-point-0 product, and look how far iTunes has come...

Yea, maybe I need 2... or three for the house... replace my Bondi iMac? Hmmm....


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Well I think it looks like a gumdrop with a monitor on it.

They did it that way for the Motherboard?
hmmm how many G4 and P4 motherboards go the other way?

BTW Nitro, the Myth will soon be crushed when Apple has to start putting P4's in there machines. Seems that the G4 well is about to run dry and can't get any faster.


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Icon 3 posted January 09, 2002 09:15      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They did it that way for the Motherboard?

I think it was for the SuperDrive, not the motherboard. Also, I believe there were lofter reasons of design, to keep the monitor flat, and to free it from the cpu so it would "float".


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Icon 13 posted January 09, 2002 10:36      Profile for -ct-   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
yep as was already mentioned - it looks like a $1500 desklamp, with an arm that's gonna fail and have to be held up with ductape after a year (but a robotic-ized arm WOULD be 1337!

i haven't read any specs on it as yet, all i saw was what it looked like, and the price


hell if i had $1500+ to blow on a computer, i'd build something to win against Alienware, and have a VM to run MacOS9, with spare CPU and ram left over to run Quake at full 21" 1600x1200 85hz IN the VM

a 15" screen? that's nuts, not to mention that it's LOW resolution

i must have missed it, but i don't see a SSCSI port anywhere, and only 3 USB? i have a printer, camera, gamepad, joystick and zip drive to connect - so i gotta get a USB hub to connect them all


how big is the hdd? can you add another one? i don't see enough space in that to add a stick of gum, much less another hdd

i see zero future for me getting anything even resembling this, it costs too much, it has NO upgradeability, and the OS kinda sucks (i'd have to wipe it and put OS9 on it)


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me like too

otto matic(the game that comes with it) is great also.

now to convince the wife we need yet another machine. . .

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This is perfect for university labs. It is a major "upgrade" to what I currently support, which my university bought last June: G4/466's. And the middle model easily falls under our very cheap price point of $1500 for the full package (CPU and monitor--education price).

And the students will just gravitate too them...

A coworker of mine ordered one just as a "decoration". He said he isn't even going to use it (yeah, right).

Reminds me of a G4 cube, only BETTER as far as a non-pro-user is concerned (and cheaper...).

Mac OS X doesn't suck. I can't wait to get rid of Mac OS 9 forever.

And can you connect a keyboard, printer, camera, gamepad, joystick, and zip at the same time to any computer without a USB hub or expansion card?

I think Steve's comment about the motherboard being vertical refers
to the cables. The ports are soldered onto the mother board horizontally and so the cables would have to dangle off of the side of the LCD if it were parallel. However, I don't see why the ports
couldn't be soldered vertically so that the ports would be on the back towards the bottom (of a CRT-iMac-with-the-back-hacksawed-off)...

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Icon 1 posted January 09, 2002 19:54      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm very seriously considering getting one of these. I've never owned any Apple machines, but this may be the one that does it. The hard part is convincing my wife that we need this.
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quote:
Originally posted by quantumfluff:
I'm very seriously considering getting one of these. I've never owned any Apple machines, but this may be the one that does it. The hard part is convincing my wife that we need this.

Tell her she can use it to make DVDs of the kids' home movies (if you don't have kids, cite the cat or the dog instead). That'll do it.

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quote:
Originally posted by rjung:
Tell her she can use it to make DVDs of the kids' home movies (if you don't have kids, cite the cat or the dog instead). That'll do it. [/URL]

jeez, now he'll have to buy firewire digicam too


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TekHell wrote:
And can you connect a keyboard, printer, camera, gamepad, joystick, and zip at the same time to any computer without a USB hub or expansion card?

Actually, six available USB ports is becoming fairly common on x86 motherboards. My bet would be that Macs will follow this trend and increase the number of built in USB ports.


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Let me see....I have firewire for scanner and harddrive external, and for USB on inkjet printer, zip drive external and keyboard (which include extra USB for mouse). I think it's pretty too much wire over my table.

I just wish that there is way to use wireless USB/firewire hub. That would be much NICE!


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The whole point of USB and Firewire is that they are Hot Plugable. ie you don't have to have everything connected at the same time!
Not only does having all those things permanently connected to your machine make your desk untidy, having your digital camera, mp3 player and PDA connected to your computer kind of limits their portability.
I just plug things into the keyboard or monitor of my Cube whenever I need to use them. Very simple and no clutter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zwilnik:
The whole point of USB and Firewire is that they are Hot Plugable. ie you don't have to have everything connected at the same time!
Not only does having all those things permanently connected to your machine make your desk untidy, having your digital camera, mp3 player and PDA connected to your computer kind of limits their portability.
I just plug things into the keyboard or monitor of my Cube whenever I need to use them. Very simple and no clutter.

Sharing a limited number of ports among several portable devices that are connected only occasionally does of course make sense. But it does not make sense to try to share several ports among several desktop devices - scanner, printer, Zip drive, keyboard, mouse, drawing tablet, etc. would not be practical. Swapping plugs, especially with the majority of the USB ports being located on the back of the machine, would be rather annoying and not really doable, as the original poster mentioned, without a hub.

Even still, it's a lucky thing I don't have enough cash on hand to go out and buy one of these things. They're pretty tempting and probably not half bad with an OS X and Linux or BSD multi-boot.


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