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snupy
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Icon 5 posted December 21, 2002 10:13      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone ever used Site Builder for website design, or is Front Page the only way to go?

(Yes, that's right, I'm trying to do a website-reading "Building Websites For Dummies" actually-a long way from the barely-a-geek that I was almost a year ago, thanks to all of you. If I fail, promise you won't laugh?) [Roll Eyes]

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2002 10:40      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know about Windows WYSIWYG editors but I found these on VersionTracker:
Enhanced HTML Editor

Bash HTML Editor

Cool Page

HotHTML 2001

The full listing is her e .

I'd probably stay away from FrontPage, the sites they make always look so cheesy. You can spot them a mile off.

Hope I helped. Good luck! [Smile]

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2002 15:15      Profile for Spiderman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As GMx mentioned, it's best to stay away from frontpage. I have it (was a birthday gift) and have found that it does better to manage current sites than create new ones.

Macromedia Dreamweaver is nice...about a $350 price tag though. I don't really have any info on inexpensive tools though.

-SM

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GMx

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2002 16:00      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The one's I mentioned were all shareware, so they should be relatively inexpensive. [Smile]
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Icon 3 posted December 21, 2002 19:25      Profile for -ct-   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
freeware:

http://www.web-o-tron.com/layoutomatik.html

just replace "whjsdfhlalagjdm sjasl sjalsireia3eha jsls ala l;ajrw alasfij" with your own text, and add your own pictures

instant website

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snupy
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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2002 21:21      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's the site, GMx-go to demo.

http://www.websitedesignforidiots.com/

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Icon 13 posted December 23, 2002 11:09      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Front Page also produces nonstandard pages that won't work in any web server other than Microsoft IIS. (Though I hear there are Apache modules that attempt to reverse engineer whatever "features" Front Page pages need so you can serve them from Apache....)

Personally I write my web pages in vi, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that for newbies. [Beard of Peter Gabriel!]

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Icon 14 posted December 23, 2002 12:12      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They look pretty good. Go ahead and use it, then change when you learn more. [Smile]
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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 14:34      Profile for SupportGoddess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Snupy,

I have posted this link before. (Several times - don't yell at me, I really do think it's a great reference.) You can also get some nice software here. (Thanks, Swiss.) If you are working with a book that deals mostly with FrontPage, try building your site in that and then cleaning it up in a different editor. That will help you learn HTML a little better and help make your site a little more browser friendly. =) Good luck.

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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 14:35      Profile for SupportGoddess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Snaggy, please delete this. I just messed up and double posted.

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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 15:50      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, SG-I already finished Primer #1. Yay. I wasn't able to download anything from that site, though-kept saying page unavailable. Maybe I should try again later or click my refresh button. [Razz]

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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 19:37      Profile for G-3PO     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pha! Dreamweaver is the only way to go! Frontpage!? bah humbug!

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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 21:48      Profile for SupportGoddess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
Thanks, SG-I already finished Primer #1. Yay. I wasn't able to download anything from that site, though-kept saying page unavailable. Maybe I should try again later or click my refresh button. [Razz]

I got the same thing when I tried to download. It's not just you. =)

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Icon 1 posted December 24, 2002 09:03            Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone ever used Site Builder for website design
I know someone who used to use that (and probably still would) and it seems to be a menace, well, to her anyhow.

As a few people know by now, I'm only for hand-coded HTML, nothing else. Basic HTML is not that hard and it's a geek's duty to learn and use it if they want a website (IMHO :) (Basic HTML also keeps you away from monstrosities like CSS 2, and stops you from making sites with pages with image URLs like "www.server.com/Desktop%20Folder/website/images/pic5.jpg" ;)

‹html›, ‹head›, ‹title›, ‹body› , ‹p›... they're your friends :)
(French quote marks used because UBB refuses to accept the HTML tags, despite it saying "HTML is not enabled." $*@!)

Of course, colour-coded editing is helpful (except X emacs where the hideous colours will give you a migraine) and I won't mind you cheating by having the editor insert the DTD for you (never bothered to try and learn the DTD).

(just please, whatever you do, make sure you specify image widths and heights somehow)

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Icon 1 posted December 24, 2002 10:19      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
HTML 4 For The World Wide Web by Elizabeth Castro is a great book.Tells you everything you need to know in understandable language and has lots of pictures of the examples, so you know what they're supposed to look like.
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Icon 14 posted December 24, 2002 11:05      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Woo-hoo!! Primer 2. Um..html is similar to what I've been doing every time I use UBB here, no?Except with <> instead of []. Duh.

Anyone who's laughing right now, please remember I have a Political Science Degree, and I work in the medical field. Never took a computer class in my life. I've learned alot from spungo, these forums and all you talented geeks, I must say. Thank you! Also from my tech support guys, if anyone remembers my first post. [Big Grin]

I don't have to show you all my website when it's done, do I??? [Roll Eyes]

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Icon 1 posted December 24, 2002 13:53      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
And a big pocketbook for DreamWeaver. [Eek!]
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unless you are a file sharing pirate! Arrg! avast ye mateys!....... [Razz]
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HomeSite eh? Does that actually work properly in Windows 98 yet? I've used ColdFusion Studio (which was the same core system as HomeSite and is now merged with it) - not bad, has a few nasty bugs, but is OK. Though to newbies it might be a bit scary - not the simplest interface by far.

Isn't there a really simple colour-coded HTML editor out there - something less intimidating? Heck, I'd just recommend Windows Notepad (95/98 users take a copy of a friend's 2000/XP Notepad), except that it doesn't maintain your indentation level :)

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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 17:47      Profile for Charisma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The thing is... Dreamweaver is NOT a beginner application. It is a tool to be used by professionals to simplify tasks. I have it and I should use it, but I've become addicted to coding by hand in SimpleText in OS9... TextEdit in OSX really bothers me (automaticly interprets HTML? It's called TextEdit, not Internet Explorer...).

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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 18:27      Profile for QuiGonValjean   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey, try finding a copy of Claris HomePage somewhere on eBay. That's what I use for everything, and I love it. (Can we all have a quick moment of silence for Claris?) Another idea would be to try finding an old copy of AOLPress on the internet somewhere. I know that it doesn't work on PPCs, but I don't know how well it works on new Windows systems... If you can't find it, I can email it to you (I have both the Mac and PC versions).

-QGV

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Icon 3 posted December 25, 2002 19:22      Profile for -ct-   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
what, ya no like web-o-tron? [Embarrassed]

sigh, OK, i GUESS i can zip a copy of frontpage express if ya need it (it's freeware now, but good luck finding it on m$ site)

does a decent job, no stupid extensions, with color coding, etc

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shut up ye damn bird, or i'll make ya walk tha' plank!

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snupy
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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 20:32      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, my..I'm so confused now. [Frown]
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