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EngrBohn
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Icon 12 posted December 21, 2000 15:21      Profile for EngrBohn     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just had to explain to one of my coworkers what the Z80 was. (btw, did you know Zilog is still around?)

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2000 19:30      Profile for Tau Zero     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Funny you should mention....

Still around, yes.  Z80's were still running the innards of cell phones as of a few years ago, and I'm up to my elbows in Zilog code at the moment.


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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2000 19:35      Profile for Doc Holliday   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Speaking of old did any of you catch the news blip about some whales being up to 200 plus years old? Form what I read eskimos for years have been finding old harpoon tips in blubber that dates back to whatever was going on 200 years ago. A few scientist found a way to date whales by amino acid profiles in their eyes or something which corroborates the evidence.
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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2000 20:08      Profile for Tau Zero     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, that was in Science News.  Really makes you think about whaling as an ethical activity, doesn't it?
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Icon 8 posted October 18, 2001 04:48      Profile for EngrBohn     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am NOT old, dammit!

I could handle it when a couple weeks ago, I discovered I'm the only one in my class who's ever used a goto statement (or, for that matter, realized that modern high-level languages still supported gotos).

But yesterday, I found out I'm the only one who even knew what a flowchart is.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 05:22      Profile for trowelblister   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Did "they" teach you BASIC on Apple IIc's in high school also?? I alos remember using a TRS-80 in 6th grade. It was my school's first computer, it even had a b/w screen. All we could do was:

10 dan is great
20 goto 10

,,,,or however that worked,,,,,


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They taught us LOGO in sixth grade, on Apple IIe's. With color screens. A friend showed me BASIC.
As far as flowcharts go, I know what they are. Super-organized people use them for experimental protocols, and if you open up a biochemistry journal there's always a figure or two of a purification scheme depicted as a flowchart. The person you were talking to probably knows what flowcharts are but doesn't know what to call them.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 06:14      Profile for Greg Wooledge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes... but did you have one of the (approximately punch-card sized) plastic templates with all the little geometric shapes for use in your flowcharts?

Do you remember which shape is for which object? (E.g., the diamond is for a conditional, etc.)

Did you have to turn in a flowchart as part of your coursework?

(My experience belies my age; I had some introductory college programming courses when I was... young. They were in COBOL.)


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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 06:54      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Greg: Yes, I had, and still have, my flowchart template. And, I had line printer layout charts!

I still have some punch card decks lying around, as well as rolls of paper tape.
It's all just historical souvenirs now.

On the other hand, good software can live forever. On my "in the real life" website I have a software repository of tools. Last week I got a thank you from someone who had picked up and used something that I originally wrote back in 1982. I've enhanced it a little over the years, but not that much. It originally was built becuase I didn't have any Unix tools on MS-DOS (1.0 I might add), yet it still has a purpose nearly 20 years later.

Oh shit, now I feel old. I just realized that the program in question is older than many readers of these fora.


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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 08:08      Profile for Swiss Mercenary     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Yes... but did you have one of the (approximately punch-card sized) plastic templates with all the little geometric shapes for use in your flowcharts?
Yes, still have and I still use it today for some of my work. Though programs such as Visio are a huge help.
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Do you remember which shape is for which object? (E.g., the diamond is for a conditional, etc.)
Circle for start and end of flow, rectangle for process etc. Yes.
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Did you have to turn in a flowchart as part of your coursework?
If only I would have had to turn in just one. For my final exam in the analysis course we were given the interviews done of the employees etc. concerning the software to be written. One of the tasks that we had to do was a full flowchart of all the processes for all the departments.
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(My experience belies my age; I had some introductory college programming courses when I was... young. They were in COBOL.)
They are still teaching COBOL out here, though not on such a large scale. Most of the big banks use COBOL programs written many, many moons ago and are scared as h**l to upgrade or do a rewrite. So if you do know COBOL you can get a well paid, very boring job doing maintenance on the programs for all those Swiss bank accounts.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 12:33      Profile for EngrBohn     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We were reading a couple of the early structured programming papers Dijkstra wrote, and in one of them, he used flowcharts to show how if you limited branches to certain constructs (loops and conditionals), then it greatly simplified reasoning about a program's behavior. The professor asked the class what the diagrams were called, and after about thirty seconds of silence, I gave up on letting someone else answer. Aside from the "I am not old" aspect to it, the words "these flowcharts" were right there in the article.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 13:38      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Wooledge:
Yes... but did you have one of the (approximately punch-card sized) plastic templates with all the little geometric shapes for use in your flowcharts?

No, we just make a scrawl in our lab notebooks and dress it up later for publication. I'm a lab rat. I work with wet stuff!

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And all this time I thought it was a Camaro......JK...lol....Z
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Flowcharts are usefull. I was introduced to them in high-school, some 4 or 5 yrs ago by one of my teachers who required that we hand them in with our programming projects, along with the pseudocode and the code. Most people thought they were a nuisance because they would produce the code first and then would have to do this flowchart thing which they didn't fully understand. I on the other hand rather enjoyed the whole design process, and I still do. I even still use flowcharts sometimes to make sure that my designs make logical sense.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 18:38      Profile for LifetimeTrekker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
And all this time I thought it was a Camaro......JK...lol....Z

That was a Datsun 280z. Close.


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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 18:40      Profile for LifetimeTrekker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:
I am [b]NOT old, dammit!

I could handle it when a couple weeks ago, I discovered I'm the only one in my class who's ever used a goto statement (or, for that matter, realized that modern high-level languages still supported gotos).

I AM old, but I remember the goto statement.

But yesterday, I found out I'm the only one who even knew what a flowchart is.

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Icon 1 posted October 18, 2001 18:41      Profile for +Andrew   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You don't have to be old to know what a Z80 is - I know what it is and I'm only 17.

Years ago, I had a Wang terminal server (featuring a Z80 processor and a 10MB MFM hard drive) that was rescued from the local dump. Mmm, Adventure on a real green-screen.. sure was fun until the terminal died.


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i still have My TI-99/4A complete with the original box. Does that make Me old too? ...Z
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quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
And all this time I thought it was a Camaro......JK...lol....Z

I had a Z28 with flowmaster mufflers on it ... ? Does that work?

It was great for picking up guys (works both way you know, but guys always want to drive your car!) but it sucked for surfing the net and e-mail!

I have no clue what you guys are talking about, but I wanted to make a smartass remark ... I hope I succeeded.


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Icon 10 posted October 19, 2001 05:29      Profile for trowelblister   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
,,,the only people I've seen use flowcharts lately are the corporate-types who work at my firm, the ones that use terms like "proactive", "risk assesment", and "Quality Assurance/Quality Control" (I don't know exactly what that means).
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As much as I want to agree with LifetimeTrekker, Zorro, and DivaGeek (Plymouth, Toyota, Chevy- what haven't you owned? )on Z80 being a car thing, the truth is that Z80 is the ANSI committee developing standards for ophthalmic optics.

-supa, exiting quickly, stage left. Shoom!


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quote:
Originally posted by DivaGeek:
I had a Z28 with flowmaster mufflers on it ... ? Does that work?

It was great for picking up guys (works both way you know, but guys always want to drive your car!) but it sucked for surfing the net and e-mail!

I have no clue what you guys are talking about, but I wanted to make a smartass remark ... I hope I succeeded.


I'd sure go for a ride, can't resist a good Z-28 >;o)


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quote:
Originally posted by supaboy:
As much as I want to agree with LifetimeTrekker, Zorro, and DivaGeek (Plymouth, Toyota, Chevy- what haven't you owned? )on Z80 being a car thing, the truth is that Z80 is the ANSI committee developing standards for ophthalmic optics.
So far on the Auto side I have owned:
1. 1965 Chevy Panel Van
2. 1976 Chevy Chevette
3. 1975 Chevy Nova
4. 1964 Chevy Corvair Monza
5. 1970 Dodge Coronet 440
6. 1974 AMC Matador
7. 1976 Plymouth Fury
8. 1975 Chevy Camaro Berlinetta
9. 1966 Chevy C-10 (still got it)
10. 1974 Datsun 240Z
11. 1968 Plymouth Barracuda (still got it)
12. 1970 Plymouth Fury Commando

What can I say, I have had a lot of cars over the years. On the computer side I have owned:

1. TI-99/4A (still got it)
2. Pac Bell P-122
3. Compaq Presario 700 Duron (still got it)
4. Give Me time, I am in the process of building it.........Z


-supa, exiting quickly, stage left. Shoom!



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quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
i still have My TI-99/4A complete with the original box. Does that make Me old too? ...Z

Wow does that bring back memories... my dad brought one home around the same time i was learning to read (what a great motivational tool ). I think he still has it in his attic somewhere.

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Zorro, you may not believe this but, I have owned 39 cars.

True.

2 Chevelle's a Gran Sport, Supra, Z-28, 2 Darts, 2 Valaint's, etc.

But I have never owned a 280-Z!

I think this discussion is appropriate for the "What do geeks drive" thread ... maybe I'll post them there (if I can think of all of them)


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