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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2010 03:55      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
____ That Rush Limberger, Sean Hannnnnity, and that Alaskan ExGovenor Sarah Palin appeared to be a few fries short of a happy meal.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/

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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2010 12:30      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Other studies have shown a similar link with level of education, the more book-learning you've had, the more liberal you're likely to be. There's a simple explanation for the link between intelligence/education and political affiliation in the USA, American conservative policies are dumb.

There was a time, back in the 1970's, when conservatives prided themselves as hard-nosed pragmatists, while lefties were seen as pie-in-the-sky dreamers. They used to say "If you're not a radical at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by 50, you have no brain". There was some truth to that, then. It wasn't hard to find the kind of "liberal loon" that he-who-must-not-be-named still sees hiding under every bed, while conservative politicians were usually more concerned with results than ideology.

Then along came Reagan, and the Republicans abandoned all that both-feet-on-the-ground sensibility, embraced the lunatic-fringe, and went to war with reality. Creationism, Voodoo Economics, Paranoid Conspiracy Theories, and a general hostility towards Science and critical thinking have increasingly been hallmarks of Conservative politics in America. As the gap between policy and reality widened, more and more clever people drifted away. As Stephen Colbert put it, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias".

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GameMaster
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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2010 13:34      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people.
What the heck? Where did this definition come from? So, no "conservative" cares about anyone not genetically related???! I'll leave that part there.

How many card carrying Republians (i.e. conservatives) donate from their private resources to causes? The issue for most Republicans have is what the state forces people to give from private resources to public resources then re-doled out the way the Government sees fit.

I would be very interested in seeing the way this study was run. Moreover, correlation can occur with relationship,correlation may be because of other factors not included in the study. The sample size and method of selection of sample was not stated, and there was no mention of repeatability... This isn't science, it's liberal name calling by a social scientist.

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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2010 13:42      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
This isn't science, it's liberal name calling by a social scientist.

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From TFA:
Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."



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Nobody's going to fall for that, TFD. All card-carrying Republicans know that names like "liberal" and "libertarian" and "democrat" are just code names for socialists who want to put pinko commie bastards in charge so that the wealth that hard working rich people like Paris Hilton have worked so hard for can be taken away and given to lazy, minimum-wage earning bastards who don't contribute to society during their twelve hour factory shifts.

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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2010 20:14      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
TFD, I missed the part of their idealogical identification, but otherwise my argument stands, no?

Steen, 80% of American millionaires are first generation rich. Of those, most drive a modest car they bought used. Most own their own home free and clear, but don't live mansions. I think it was half of them own their own business. Most people who look rich aren't, and most who are rich don't look rich. I couldn't care less about Paris Hilton, but I do want to minimize how far down my pocket the Federal Government will grab when I retire a millionaire.

I am a libertarian, Steen. I would loved to have seen Ron Paul in the White House, and see him get the peace prize instead (because the only requirement appears to be: be a president who is George W Bush).

Sorry, I couldn't help myself with the dig at President Obama at the end, I know it's immature, off topic and unfair (Obama didn't ask to be nominated or to win); but then the same could be said of the Paris remarks Steen made.

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
TFD, I missed the part of their idealogical identification, but otherwise my argument stands, no?

I thought their definition of 'Conservatism' was a little odd too, but I always take popular-press accounts of scientific articles with a large sack of salt.

Most journalists dropped out of maths/science classes around age 16, they half-understand the paper they're reporting on, then they over-simplify for their intended audience, then the sub-editor deletes a few sentences they think irrelevant... The end result can sometimes be a little bit giraffes on roller skates like Italian food on Tuesdays.


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Most people who look rich aren't, and most who are rich don't look rich... ...most drive a modest car

There was some research a few years back in oz that confirmed this. The 'very rich' and 'old money' tend to drive ordinary family cars, the guy in the bright red Ferrari is probably a successful lawyer or salesman, trying to impress the babes. The car may be worth a couple of years pay.

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GameMaster:
How far over the top would my post have to have been for you to recognize it as humorous sarcasm? Do I need to work in references to Smurfs and Gargamel?

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Icon 1 posted February 28, 2010 13:16      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
TFD, the books Millionaire Next Door and Millionaire Mind are about that very topic -- they got together with a number of millionaires and asked them questions about what cars, watches, etc, they had. It turns out that most millionaires made it there by being frugal, not doing consumer borrowing and living at or below their means. If the Government could learn that little gem of wisdom.

Steen, I've seen many news articles that paint that picture of concervatives and rich... That said smurfs are welcome in almost all conversations with me.

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
most millionaires made it there by being frugal, not doing consumer borrowing and living at or below their means.

Of course, 'millionaire' doesn't mean what it once did.

These days, any doctor, lawyer, or geek who doesn't make it to 'millionaire' by 50 isn't really trying.

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quote:
Originally posted by GrumpySteen:
GameMaster:
How far over the top would my post have to have been for you to recognize it as humorous sarcasm? Do I need to work in references to Smurfs and Gargamel?

In an age where people like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are taken seriously by a certain section of the political spectrum, parody becomes a little more difficult to discern, I guess. Considering the source, I could recognize it, but I can see how some might forget to allow for that.

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