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Icon 5 posted June 21, 2004 21:09      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Go ahead...please prove me wrong...

I just got an Apple Studio Display 17" LCD panel today at work - my coworkers and I cannot find an Kensington lock slot on it. Excuse me?! This thing is not a little cheap toy - I'm getting 14 more of them in a few weeks for a location that will not be monitored every minute of every day (there's usually someone there, though), and I want to be able to protect them from /very easy theft/. I just bought more cables thinking they would surely have lock slots on them - all my Dell flat panels have slots on them, and they're worth much less, but are definitely desirable targets.

Can Apple please get off their fscking cloud and put a shred of realistic design in their products - I really don't think the aesthetics of the screen would have been damaged with a lock slot opposite to the USB ports on the rear of the things?

I won't even go into how their new G5 is mildly shafting my budget (the prices on our new order just got bumped up $400 for the new model).

I bought an XServe a few months ago, and had to wait 2 weeks before I could use it because they screwed up the AppleCare records and were telling us that our server might have belonged to another location.

I know I'm obviously not seeing the utterly wonderful creative vision of Jobs right now, but sometimes I just get a little fed up when their Reality Distortion Field interferes with my job. If Apple intends to take the PC world by surprise, they need to surprise IT depts with cooperation.

I like some Apple hardware, and the OS isn't bad at all, but stuff like this just makes me think more that my next computer really should be another Thinkpad (or maybe a Latitude) - or if I spend some money on revamping my server/workstation, it'll be homemade.

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Icon 1 posted June 21, 2004 22:14      Profile for Bibo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You are supposed to loop a locking cable through the stand on the back and secure it through one of the cord holes on your computer desk.
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Icon 1 posted June 22, 2004 00:20      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
In general Apple's LCD screens are ripe for a revamp (and this is being touted by the rumour sites now). They are also (surprise!) overpriced. My wife recently bought 4 LG 1920P 19" Screens for her design business after reading this MacUser review. They are fairly stylish, and are much cheaper, perform at least as well, and have a better stand than Apple's offerings. Recommended.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
In general Apple's LCD screens are ripe for a revamp (and this is being touted by the rumour sites now). They are also (surprise!) overpriced. My wife recently bought 4 LG 1920P 19" Screens for her design business after reading this MacUser review. They are fairly stylish, and are much cheaper, perform at least as well, and have a better stand than Apple's offerings. Recommended.

Sweet screens, but low resolutions [Frown]
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1280*1024 is low? You're on crack!

I remember 640*480 was the standard. Yeh, that was unacceptable. 1024*768 was acceptable, and 1280*1024 certainly is, even by design standards (in my opinion).

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Icon 1 posted June 22, 2004 05:47      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
<rising WWDC frenzy>
LG are also rumoured to be manufacturing a new range of screens for Apple.
</rising WWDC frenzy>

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Icon 1 posted June 22, 2004 06:43      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bibo:
You are supposed to loop a locking cable through the stand on the back and secure it through one of the cord holes on your computer desk.

Yeah, that's what I'll be doing, but that's not a good solution to me, as I don't feel it's as secure as something actually mounted to the panel.

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Icon 1 posted June 22, 2004 10:26      Profile for macmcseboy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dman

Looping the locking cable is a stronger method of securing the panel... If you were to use tha Kensington lock hole it would be very easy to defeat on such a large device. Seeing that the Kensington lock hole has nothing but a small puny metal plate behind it, it is insuficent for this application. Thus looping in the foot/stand is more secure.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan!:
1280*1024 is low? You're on crack!

I remember 640*480 was the standard. Yeh, that was unacceptable. 1024*768 was acceptable, and 1280*1024 certainly is, even by design standards (in my opinion).

On a 19" 1280x1024 is frelling low! A 19" should be 1600x1200
1280x1024 is ok for 15 and 17, but not 19

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
On a 19" 1280x1024 is frelling low! A 19" should be 1600x1200
1280x1024 is ok for 15 and 17, but not 19

Ah, the innocence of youth !

With advancing years, focusing on close fine detail becomes a bit of a problem for some of us. I know a couple of people not much older than myself who have their 19" CRTs running at 800x600, I'm still able to run mine at 1400x1050, but not as comfortably as I used to, I'm thinking of dropping back to something lower. And LDC monitors really don't work very well at anything other than their 'native' resolution.

Still, I've got to agree, compared to other offerings from Apple, the 19" is looking a little tired. The 17" iMac is 1440x900, which is only ~ 1% less pixels, and the 20" iMac is 1680x1050, 34% more pixels.

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Icon 1 posted June 22, 2004 17:29      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm not too old, and I think running at stuff like 1600x1200 is plum crazy (unless you've got a 23" Apple Cinema Display, perhaps). We've got some 17" LCDs at work, and most are set to 1280x1024, but the font sizes have been ramped up. While native mode is really the only way to go - I find scaling down looks *horrible*, it can be kind of hard to read stuff on it. I had an acquaintance with a fancy Dell laptop that had the Super-Duper-Turbo-Charged XYZZYGA screen that was 15" with something like 1400x1200 and it was damn near impossible to see the icons, let alone the text -- yet he could play his Evercrack alright, I suppose. Then again, that kid has some issues - so glad he's out of my hair. I'm quite happy with the 1024x768 14" LCD screen on my Thinkpad. Someday I'll get an LCD monitor for myself at home, and hopefully it will be at least 17", and I'll be able to read it [Smile] .

Oh, BTW - our boss decided to pass on the Apple LCDs, and will be buying from someone else, largely because of the cost of them. I think the lock is yet another factor. Also, I happen to believe that if you design it correctly, a Kensington lock will have a better hold on your screen or other piece of computing equipment, *and* attempts to remove it will cause considerable damage to the goods, screwing the resale of it. If the hinged back of an Apple screen is wrecked, I wonder what the odds are that the parts can be replaced.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:

Oh, BTW - our boss decided to pass on the Apple LCDs, and will be buying from someone else, largely because of the cost of them. I think the lock is yet another factor. Also, I happen to believe that if you design it correctly, a Kensington lock will have a better hold on your screen or other piece of computing equipment, *and* attempts to remove it will cause considerable damage to the goods, screwing the resale of it. If the hinged back of an Apple screen is wrecked, I wonder what the odds are that the parts can be replaced.

The issue with apple displays is that to repair such damage to the foot, you have to send the display back to Apple. This policy is Mail in Only in the US, in Canada I can perform the repair. If it was me or any other tech i woud seriously question this kind of damage, as I know that if the foot is shorn off, it's likely stolen. If the kensington lock hole (provided it existed) is the damaged, I know its stolen. Not to metion I will not sell an individual case part to a display to anyone with this kind of damage.

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quote:
Originally posted by macmcseboy:
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:

Oh, BTW - our boss decided to pass on the Apple LCDs, and will be buying from someone else, largely because of the cost of them. I think the lock is yet another factor. Also, I happen to believe that if you design it correctly, a Kensington lock will have a better hold on your screen or other piece of computing equipment, *and* attempts to remove it will cause considerable damage to the goods, screwing the resale of it. If the hinged back of an Apple screen is wrecked, I wonder what the odds are that the parts can be replaced.

The issue with apple displays is that to repair such damage to the foot, you have to send the display back to Apple. This policy is Mail in Only in the US, in Canada I can perform the repair. If it was me or any other tech i woud seriously question this kind of damage, as I know that if the foot is shorn off, it's likely stolen. If the kensington lock hole (provided it existed) is the damaged, I know its stolen. Not to metion I will not sell an individual case part to a display to anyone with this kind of damage.
I think that I had heard that specialists in the US too were now being allowed to do such repairs
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan!:
1280*1024 is low? You're on crack!

I remember 640*480 was the standard. Yeh, that was unacceptable. 1024*768 was acceptable, and 1280*1024 certainly is, even by design standards (in my opinion).

I beleive PPI is also in effect here.

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