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Rhonwyyn

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Icon 1 posted March 15, 2012 21:13      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
From what I've read, the new iPad isn't much different from the iPad 2. The differences are mostly in the display and the camera, from what I've read.

However, what's the difference between the first iPad and the iPad 2? Is there a big change?

I can't afford a new iPad, but I could swing a first gen iPad. Can I run most apps, use Ravelry and Facebook, and type notes on a first-gen model? They're not totally obsolete yet, right?

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First generation iPads are significantly slower, thicker, and heavier than the iPad 2 and the "new" iPad. That said, typical apps should still run fine. You should only get into trouble when you're really pushing it, like trying to play the latest & greatest shoot-em-up type games.

The iPad 2 and new iPad are almost identical in size and weight, and their main processor is the same speed. The only speed difference is in the graphics processor, which is significantly more powerful in the new iPad; but that new power is balanced against the quadrupled pixel count on the new screen to some degree.

The new iPad also supports LTE, which will allow you to pay the cell companies more since you'll be able to guzzle data down by the barrel. Oh, oops, I don't think that was the spin they were looking for...

So anyway, if you can still get your hands on an original iPad, I would expect it to be fine for casual use. If you can swing an iPad 2, the shape/size/weight improvements really do make it more comfortable to hold, and the extra horsepower will keep it relevant for longer.

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I use a first-gen iPad from work - it's fine, but a bit bulky/heavy.

I'm very disappointed by the fact that the 'new iPad' is heavier than the iPad 2. I don't give a damn what the RDF folks say...it's heavier, and that's the wrong direction!

I really only use my iPad when traveling, or to quickly look things up without sitting down at my laptop. Adding 1.5 lbs to my bag just isn't pleasant - I can get by fine most of the time with my iPod Touch. Still, full-sized maps and PDF reading are invaluable to me when traveling, so I'm willing to put up with it then. Otherwise, I just throw a good book and/or a newspaper in my bag and call it a day. [Smile]

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We have the original iPad, which is great, but those are wise words from Ugh, ... if you can swing for a 2, do!
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Icon 1 posted March 16, 2012 13:58      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The iPad 2 is going for about $400 on eBay. Do you guys feel that's a fair price?

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Apple store is showing the refurbished 16gb iPad 2 with wifi
for 349.00 and the 32gb model for 399.00 Depends on who's
selling on eBay.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
The iPad 2 is going for about $400 on eBay. Do you guys feel that's a fair price?

That's a horrible price on eBay. You can buy the iPad 2 from Apple for $399 list retail, NEW!

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I'm not selling my original 16GB wifi. I like it and its hand for what I need it to do. I might buy one of the store demos we have when our 2S/3 demos come in.The only reason the New iPad is thicker is because of the LTE chipset and CPU, both use more juice. Next iteration will be slimmer for sure. Use my iPhone for photos and other stuff. One more reason for to keep mine is that it's a collectors piece! It's marked Demo-NFR on the back!

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PS. Thankfully I did not have to iBouncer 2.0 for this release... last year was stupid.. We had a line that I had to manage that went all the way down the block to the starbux!

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quote:
Originally posted by HalfVast:
Apple store is showing the refurbished 16gb iPad 2 with wifi
for 349.00 and the 32gb model for 399.00 Depends on who's
selling on eBay.

Yikes! Now, granted, the models going for $400 are the 64Gb, WiFi + AT&T.

16Gb seems small to me. Is the memory expandable later, or are you stuck with what you got? I'm trying to figure out if I'd be fine with 16Gb, since I doubt I'd load music on it, or if I should go with the 32 or 64.

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IMHO, you won't need 64. For your average websurfing, 16 should be fine. If you plan on having fun with GarageBand, and watch movies, or lots of books, go for 32
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quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
IMHO, you won't need 64. For your average websurfing, 16 should be fine. If you plan on having fun with GarageBand, and watch movies, or lots of books, go for 32

Thanks so much for the advice, O Benevolent One! I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't ask questions like this here.

Which reminds me, I'm way overdue to re-up my SuperFan status. How do we do that again?

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Or, you could just get a BlackBerry Playbook, which at $199 (for the 16Gb model) is a comparative steal (and you'd be supporting Canada's goal of World Domination, too! ;-) ) I have a playbook, and it's lurvely.

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N/P Rhon, I hope you find one you love.


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I'll take that as a reminder then...

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HP Touchpad with Android is another good option, you should be able to find one for around $200.
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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
Or, you could just get a BlackBerry Playbook, which at $199 (for the 16Gb model) is a comparative steal (and you'd be supporting Canada's goal of World Domination, too! ;-) ) I have a playbook, and it's lurvely.

But can you play Angry Birds on it? [Razz]

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Thanks Rhon and Druid! [hearts]
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Rhonwyyn wrote:
But can you play Angry Birds on it? [Razz]

Yes.

In all fairness, though, there's not much you -can't- play Angry Birds on. It's been ported to almost every platform that could possibly run it.

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Serious question: Is the Playbook any good / worth getting for a geek?

Related question: Does it have a good map application that caches tiles?

When I take leave of my current employer (voluntarily or otherwise), I doubt the generosity of an iPad will be offered, and I may find myself seeking a good tablet that doesn't cost $500. Barring a good candidate, I'd probably go for and iPad 2 and save $100.

Just for grins, I visited the Apple Store this weekend and I can't say that I'm that impressed by the new iPad. The pictures in the album should have been much crisper IMHO. OTOH, the text in the address bar was /gorgeous/. (Seriously...nice antialiasing!) I was much more impressed by the newer Macbook Air - I think that might be more interesting to me when traveling than the iPad! To me, the iPad is on the heavy end of tablets, whereas the MacBook Air is on the improbably light end of [*useful*] laptops - and the latter statistic is far more impressive to me.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Serious question: Is the Playbook any good / worth getting for a geek?

Related question: Does it have a good map application that caches tiles?

Well, it's good for lying on the sofa and surfing. The 7 inch size is just right -- big enough to read the damn thing, yet not as cumbersome as a full tablet. I'm impressed with it's HD movie playing capabilities (apparently you can hook it up to a telly, if you have the right HDMI cable!)

I don't know anything about your map question. Also, I've been told that the app spectrum is a bit weak -- but that may improve over time as its sales improve -- and the $199 price point should do that. From a geeky point of view, the underlying OS is QNX, and I've heard tell of folk doing some trickery to enable ssh access to the device, though I have not tried this myself. Also, if you wish to write apps for the playbook, they support a C/C++ native mode as well as AIR and, I think, Java. Apparently you can port Android apps across without too much bother. HTH.

edit: Oh, and so far I've only managed to do a USB file transfer to/from a Windows machine -- couldn't get me Linux box to recognise it, and BlackBerry only seem to have windows drivers on it -- but I may be wrong...

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And the mother-in-law of the year award goes to.....
<drum-roll>......</drum-roll>
Mrs MacDruid-in-law!

Mrs Druid's mum just bought a shiny new iPad-don't-call-it-3, so her 'old' iPad 2 has gone into 'retirement' at Casa del Druid.

I haven't really played with the iPad much before now, it's pretty cool.

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Oh cool Druid!

PS: We're having an iPad case giveaway soon [Big Grin]

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TFD: My, that was awfully generous of you to provide a home for such an aged device. [Wink]

Enjoy...and IMHO, you've got the better device. [Smile]

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I learned about the Nook Tablet yesterday. My local library recommends it over the Kindle Fire, but I want it more for portable Internet use than to read books.

What do you guys think about it? Comparable to the iPad in any way?

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