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funkdefino
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Icon 2 posted September 04, 2004 18:54      Profile for funkdefino     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
hey, i'm about to dive in and buy a new drive... thought i'd sample some opinion first though. I'm looking one of these four:
1. EZQuest Cobra 250Gb Firewire 800
2. OWC Mercury Elite Pro 250Gb firewire 800
3. LaCie Big Disk 250 Gb 800
4. Wiebetech 250Gb fire 800

Any of you tried these drives? Thanks...

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I'd personally go for the LaCie.

I've honestly not had any exposure to the others you listed but I've had good luck with LaCie in general. I have one of their external DVD+/-RW drives which I've been quite happy with and at work, we have a couple of the Big Disk Extreme 500 gig drives as a (relatively) cheap backup solution which have also been working for us quite nicely.

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And I'm the opposite on Lacie. In the past 5 years I have seen 4 Lacie CDRW drives and 1 USB drive die. These were in the purple cases. Lacie was great when they were in the rugged metal cases then they switched to the plastic cases with plastic fans. I see they have switched to the Porsche designed cases, those I am not familiar with since I gave up using or recommending their products.
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I'd do this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductdesc.asp?description=22-144-214&depa=0

since the others are probably stuffed with maxtors

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LaCie is pure shit.

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I don't know about that. I have a LaCie 20 GB hard drive that I've had for four years and it's been running pretty much constantly without so much as a hiccup. As you know the EZ Quest 120 GB drive that I bought earlier this year went south with a bad power supply and on top of that it has a MAXTOR [thumbsdown] drive in the case. I'd check out some web site with reviews and tests to see how they compare first. Maybe buying a hard drive is just a crap shoot now days. [ohwell] You might get something good, or you might get a POS.
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quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
I've had for four years

A lot can change in 4 years (in what they sell)
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quote:
Originally posted by Bibo:
And I'm the opposite on Lacie. In the past 5 years I have seen 4 Lacie CDRW drives and 1 USB drive die. These were in the purple cases. Lacie was great when they were in the rugged metal cases then they switched to the plastic cases with plastic fans. I see they have switched to the Porsche designed cases, those I am not familiar with since I gave up using or recommending their products.

I guess I've either been really lucky or the worst is yet to come [ohwell]

quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
LaCie is pure shit.

Ummm, maybe give some reasons for your evident implicit abhorrence of the brand before you go and spout garbage? [Roll Eyes] I fail to find any useful information in your post. [shake head]

At least my recommendation was based off of my use/exposure with/to the drives which both happened to positive experiences.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
I've had for four years

A lot can change in 4 years (in what they sell)
I was saying that because it's one of the models with the plastic case and plastic fans. Which proves my point...maybe. It's crapshoot.
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiderman:
quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
LaCie is pure shit.

Ummm, maybe give some reasons for your evident implicit abhorrence of the brand before you go and spout garbage? [Roll Eyes] I fail to find any useful information in your post. [shake head]

At least my recommendation was based off of my use/exposure with/to the drives which both happened to positive experiences.

Let me say first, spidy that it wasn't you that asked the original question, and while I'd normally tell you to shut your cock holster, this time (don't ask me why) I'll elaborate.

<old guy>

I have been making money in this industry probably as long as you have been alive. It is more than fair to admit someone with that much experience will gain knowledge over time. If you are smart and listen from time to time, you might too.

</old guy>

About 5 years ago (while you were still popping zits and thought a Mac was a kind of cheeseburger) I got 29 LaCie DDS3 SCSI 12/24 DAT Drives for backup (running Retrospect) on 29 ASIP servers. Within one year 16 on the drives had failed. Granted, LaCie was fine giving us replacements....but our servers are all in remote locations.....some as far away as 500 km....one of them you could only fly into. Try to wrap your simple head around the concept of how much it costs to go out and gather up these dead drives, send them to Quebec (IIRC) and then redeploy the new ones. Obviously not a big deal if we had one or two fail, but 16 of 29?? These units were also slow as hell running nightly backups and often froze not to mention turtle-like cataloging and restore times. To me that alone defines shit. Where I come from, people don't want to be anywhere near shit, in fact, we flush it down the toilet.

Anywho, back to the original question. funkdefino was looking for add-on mass storage, and we have had (not purchased by me) various LaCie external drives and CDRWs...they have yet to impress me. We still have hardware failures (though no where near the tape drives).

There. Ya fsckin' happy?

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Cap'n Vic:
My apologies for being a bit testy. Though various reasons dictated my mood I won't make excuses.

As to LaCie, I've only had experience with their newer products which as I mentioned before, I've been quite happy with thus far. This being the case, your statement rubbed me the wrong way.

Thanks for the explanation of your dislike for the company as well. You're right, I've not been in the industry for as long as some such as yourself and appreciate the information you've provided. [Smile]

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Cap'n Vic

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Good. A little back ground too. LaCie has been in the Mac world for a long time and have only recently stepped into the PeeCee world. I know you have recently seen the light IIRC and bought a Mac a awhile back.

I just think LaCie, is following the Windows way as of late...you know....quantity over quality. A bad move I think most would agree.

I'm sorry too, for snapping on ya......

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Personally I went with a generic brand O911 metal case and a drive of my choice. It's the geeky thing to do, and you get to choose a drive too [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
I'd do this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductdesc.asp?description=22-144-214&depa=0

since the others are probably stuffed with maxtors

I'll second that [Smile]

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I have two LaCie drives in the all-metal d2 case. Both have been working just fine for a couple of years, although the disk on one is a little louder than I'm happy with. (On the other hand, that disk has been making noise for two years now, so apparently it's not in imminent danger of failure.)

I also have three Concord1394a dual-drive cabinets with two drives each which I use for storing digital video, and one Maxtor-branded external firewire drive. They aren't as attractive as the d2 cases, but the dual-drive cabinet takes less space than two d2s would (it's about the same size as the LaCie Big Disk).

If you go the build-it-yourself route, you'll certainly hear lots of horror stories that this or that vendor manufactures only junk; I've used enough disk drives to have seen junk from every manufacturer, and it seems like they take turns being the bottom of the barrel. The correct answer is that they're all bad and you should use good, reliable paper-tape for storage.

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oh, just to add to the mix, as a disclaimer:

I have a LaCie electron blue I monitor (19" and i love it) and an external scsi circa-mid-90's Apple/LaCie (IBM) 12GB hard drive which is still purring(growling)

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The latest issue of MacUser here in the UK contains a group test on external HDs. In each category the LaCie drive gets their top recommendation. Naturally they cannot test how long these things are going to last reliably, but the usual advice is to assume any HD is about to fail and have off site backups. My personal experience of LaCie external drives over the last couple of years has been good, they have all been fast quiet and reliable, though the drivers supplied with them have not always been trouble free. I have only used 3 or 4, which is not as many as Cap'n Vic, but then again I am not sure how much weight you should put on his experience with tape drives 5 years ago (which in computing terms is the dawn of prehistory!)

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Just so you all know, those external HD's are just a case and a small circuit board with a chip that converts a IDE bus into a USB/FireWire. I reccommend buying just the case and board (alot cheaper) and then throwing in a HD you have lying around. Mostuse IDE some might be SCSI. I swap mine out for all sorts of things. I would also reccommend getting one that uses a 2.5" laptop HD, they are smaller and only use 5 volts, so they can be powered by a [standard compliant] USB port without the need for another power cable.

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Hummm well I've heard generally positive reviews and feedback on LaCie both from friends and reviews and on the web. I don't have a HD but I have a metal-case CD-R burner from them that's worked flawlessly for about 5 months now. Gets loud when it spins up to 52x but that's to be expected.

People seem to really like them. From what I've heard of bad experiences it just sounds like it might be the element of chance of getting a bad drive. A co-worker just bought a Iomega 160MB for OSX that he's having a heck a time getting to work, but other than that... *shrug*

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quote:
Originally posted by MacGenius:
Personally I went with a generic brand O911 metal case and a drive of my choice. It's the geeky thing to do, and you get to choose a drive too [Wink]

I'll second that. You can get a 200 gig Western Digital or Seagate for under $100 after rebates if you look around; a high quality external enclosure is around $50, maybe less. That's way better than paying $250+ for a retail unit IMHO.
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quote:
Originally posted by dp004i:
quote:
Originally posted by MacGenius:
Personally I went with a generic brand O911 metal case and a drive of my choice. It's the geeky thing to do, and you get to choose a drive too [Wink]

I'll second that. You can get a 200 gig Western Digital or Seagate for under $100 after rebates if you look around; a high quality external enclosure is around $50, maybe less. That's way better than paying $250+ for a retail unit IMHO.
That was my logic [Cool]
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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
oh, just to add to the mix, as a disclaimer:

I have a LaCie electron blue I monitor (19" and i love it) and an external scsi circa-mid-90's Apple/LaCie (IBM) 12GB hard drive which is still purring(growling)

I have a Macintosh 128K that still works, albeit with a half-broken analog board. The mousepad I'm using is the same mousepad I had with my first Macintosh (so it's about 15 years old). My scanner is a 1993 La Cie, it stillworks but with a reddish hue. Does just fine on my SCSI computers.
Yep, and a 17-year old MIDI interface (I think it's 17...)
I also have a Conner 20MB drive. Still works...

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Just last night I used CCC to copy my 80 GB external Firewire HDD to a 120 GB disk that I had mounted in my Ratoc Systems FireDock. The idea was to take the 80 GB disk out of the FW enclosure (a Focal Point Eau Drive) and replace it with the 120 GB disk.

When I went to mount the new disk in the Eau Drive, however, the plastic around the screw holes crumbled, leaving me with an unusable enclosure.

Since I'm using my FireDock in "removable" mode, I need a new external enclosure that I can use to boot my G5 externally. The solution I hit upon was this fairly new Ratoc product:

Firewire 800 Interface Kit

Sorry, they don't seem to have an English page for this product yet (at least not that I've managed to find on the Ratoc site). The upshot is that I can leave the 120 GB disk in its FireDock tray and use it as an external HDD!

I ordered it today. It should arrive the day after tomorrow. I'll let you know how it works.

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Well, I've had a chance to play with my Firewire 800 Interface Kit, so I'll write a few words about it in case anybody's interested.

It's my first FW800 device, and overall I'm pretty pleased with the performance. It's a heckuva lot faster than my FireDock, which is only FW400. I'm not the sort of geek who just has to benchmark everything, but subjectively speaking I do get the sense that I'm finally taking full advantage of my WD Caviar limited edition HD with its nice 8MB buffer.

The cool thing about the interface kit is that I can pop it off one FireDock drawer and onto another in very little time, so if I need to boot off a different disk, it's a snap. I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to make alternating backups of my G5's built-in RAID to disks in the FireDock, and if the RAID goes down and I need to boot off of a backup disk to get some work done fast, I just pop the drawer out of the FireDock, slap the interface kit on, and I back up and running in no time.

It's also great because I can pick and choose the hard drives I want to put in my FireDock drawers. I like that better than taking whatever disk comes in a retail unit, since they often include disks that are cheap and don't perform as well.

The only problem with the interface kit is a small flaw in the design. The kit slots into the connector on the back of the FireDock drawer, and doesn't have any other means of support. It would have been better if they'd included a clip on either side to secure it to the drawer; as it is, the drawer's connector is the only thing holding it on. I'm afraid the weight of the cables sticking out of the back of the kit may weaken the connector eventually. Still, that weak point isn't too bad when you consider the convenience of having one FireWire hard disk controller that can be connected quickly and easily to an unlimited number of hard drives...

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LaCie External Hard Drives (500 gig Big Disc)
I own seven of them for mpeg3 storage. When they work they are great. After 12 months they become a paper weight. I should know 3 of the 7 I own are not working and LaCie's only comment is 'They are out of warrenty and we can't help you' Buy anything else!

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