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Grummash

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2009 11:12      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I suppose the subject of this story is unlikely to have much direct effect on most of us, as it has taken 13 years to reach this stage - but it is interesting all the same.


Element 112 gets a name.

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Say, it just occurred to me, do we need to revoke Plutonium's status as an element now that Pluto is no longer a planet?

Also, Hofmanium rolls off the tongue much easier than Copernicium. How the heck do you even pronounce it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ugh, MightyClub:
Say, it just occurred to me, do we need to revoke Plutonium's status as an element now that Pluto is no longer a planet?


No. Not necessary. Since Pluto was also Goofy's dog, all that remains to complete the unplanetizing transaction is to pull Goofy's nose.

Really, really, really, really hard.

Three times.

Then jump over nearest smallish rock whilst whistling the Bohemian Rhapsody into a paper bag that also contains at least one partially empty wine bottle.

Anchors Aweigh and all that rot!

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I don't know what I was thinking... it seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Grummash

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2009 18:47      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ugh:
Also, Hofmanium rolls off the tongue much easier than Copernicium. How the heck do you even pronounce it?

I assume it should be pronounced in the correct manner, as 'Cop-er-NISS-ium'. But then, I am of the old school that refers to planet seven as 'Your-RANE-uss' and not the modern abomination 'YOUR-ann-uss'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grummash:
quote:
Originally posted by Ugh:
Also, Hofmanium rolls off the tongue much easier than Copernicium. How the heck do you even pronounce it?

I assume it should be pronounced in the correct manner, as 'Cop-er-NISS-ium'. But then, I am of the old school that refers to planet seven as 'Your-RANE-uss' and not the modern abomination 'YOUR-ann-uss'.
What happened to "your anus"?

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sounds like a case of the "grapes of wrath"

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quote:
Originally posted by Ugh, MightyClub:
Also, Hofmanium rolls off the tongue much easier than Copernicium. How the heck do you even pronounce it?

If you're a septic, probably 'Copernicum'

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New elements, befor they get a fancy name, are simply named in latin "number of protons-ium" I laove this, it makes it easier to memorize the all the higher element (and easily impress people)becuase you just need to know the rule for counting in latin frmo 112 -118

unun(bi)
unun(tri)
unun(quad)
unun(pent)
unun(hex)
unun(sept)
unun(oct)

I would be very very happy if IUPAC sinmply renamed ALL elements in latin.

thoughI am the kind of person that loved that my university named the dorms UNIT A, UNIT B, ect. ( till they realized peopel would give them money to have a building named after them.

Then they renamed the units, And most people didn't care until Student Services informed us that we were REQUIRED to use the new names of the buildings whenever we referend to them. SO then we went out of our way to find instances were we could refer to the buildings as ther old names to student services.


but I digress

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A lot of the current symbols come from Latin:
Na: natrium
Au: aurum
Ag: argentum
Pb: plumbum
And so on.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
A lot of the current symbols come from Latin:
Na: natrium
Au: aurum
Ag: argentum
Pb: plumbum
And so on.

yes, but they lack the beutiful simplicity of simply being named for thier defining characteristic, the number of protons.

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They're already numbered though. I'm inclined to let the table stand, seeing as mankind named and purified a fair number of the elements before we understood what they were. Also, the distinct names lead to very distinct symbols, which is helpful when reading formulas.

The bottom rows of the table can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. I don't really care if something that exists on a nano- or pico- or femto-second timescale gets named or not. As I told kreziserb, in theory the table can go on forever; in practice things get progressively unstable as you move through the bottom-most row.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
The bottom rows of the table can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. I don't really care if something that exists on a nano- or pico- or femto-second timescale gets named or not. As I told kreziserb, in theory the table can go on forever; in practice things get progressively unstable as you move through the bottom-most row.

Usually, but not in this case

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Wikipedia:
The most stable isotope discovered to date is 285Cp with a half-life of ~30 s.

[update]: Some heavy isotopes are surprisingly stable

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