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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted April 02, 2009 07:53      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
________________________ Somebody got it right!! __ Hi all. I usually refrain from endorsing a brand or product because most brands are well enough known. However Kraft got things right by doing their own internal testing on the raw stock (nuts) coming into their plants.

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They give Republicans drug tests?

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Yes, it's good news.

Too many times, we all expect everything will go right so we avoid preparing for the worse. Reparing that aging dam; testing for zero or overflow in code; delaying changing tires as the cold season comes... We are all guilty of this one way or another.

But when it's done at an industrial level on things that could affect many people's security just to save money so that the bottom line looks better to investors... It borders on criminal. Maple Leaf learned it the hard way, an paid dearly for it. When they have to run advertising showing that their own employees feed ML products to their own children, it's because their public image was seriously shaken.

So yes, other companies had to realize that it's in their future too if they don't change their ways. But also consider it is good publicity for them, just as more and more companies use fair trade/bio/whatever is looking "good" (these days, it's "green") for them to increase their sales.

The only problem being that as far as sanitary testing goes, the public doesn't know all the details (are all lots tested or one every 1000? Do the workers know which lot will be tested? Are they tested at all steps, or only the first or a few? For every potential contamination or just the more common?) so we have to trust them. But testing cost money. How long before they decide that they can decrease testing to increase their profits? Or can we hope for a new generation of leaders who will understand that what the worker/specialist/scientist say is true, and that security cannot be bargained?

I can hope, but I won't hold my breath. Excessive greed is too prevalent over human history to presume it dead for good.

Oh, an as a tangeant on the "unexpected disasters" and "sanitary procedures" kind of news, have you caught the news about how all those anti-bacterial soap and cleaning products play a big role in the apparition of multiple-resistant bacterias?

Myself, I desinfect my shower and sink once in a while with hydrogen peroxyde. Always effective, no harm to the environment as it quickly degrade into ordinary water. Although not cheap, it's not abusively costly either, since it degrades even inside the bottle within months as soon as it is open; so when my bottle start getting old, I just pour the rest where I want the bacteria-killing done. No wasted money! But I have heard that Javel is very effective too, although I'm not sure about short-term effect to the environment. (Long term, I expect it reacts with other molecules to form less harmful compounds, like NaCl...)

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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
Myself, I desinfect my shower and sink once in a while with hydrogen peroxyde.

I use white vinegar in a spray bottle for a lot of household cleaning. Antibacterial and it cuts odors (important for the litterboxes). You just have to put up with a slight vinegar smell for half an hour or so after you clean.

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quote:
Originally posted by fs:
I use white vinegar in a spray bottle for a lot of household cleaning

Same here - cheap and effective! Though living in a house of healthcare staff we seem to have an abundance of weird and wonderful cleaning and sanitising products laying around...
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quote:
Originally posted by Stibbons:
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Originally posted by fs:
I use white vinegar in a spray bottle for a lot of household cleaning

Same here - cheap and effective! Though living in a house of healthcare staff we seem to have an abundance of weird and wonderful cleaning and sanitising products laying around...
Sounds like a great idea -- particularly in a recession!

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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:

Oh, an as a tangeant on the "unexpected disasters" and "sanitary procedures" kind of news, have you caught the news about how all those anti-bacterial soap and cleaning products play a big role in the apparition of multiple-resistant bacterias?

This is news? In the little bubble I live in, that's been known and recognized as a problem for a long time (but I'm also a biochemist [Razz] ).

Along the lines of home sanitation, those of you with shower curtains might want to change that out once or twice a year. That stuff we all call soap scum? It's bacteria. And some of it is pathogenic.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:

Along the lines of home sanitation, those of you with shower curtains might want to change that out once or twice a year. That stuff we all call soap scum? It's bacteria. And some of it is pathogenic.

By "change out" do you mean toss and get a new one or is there some kind of intense cleaning I need to be doing?

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_____________________ TheMoMan __ I'm not sure, if once or twice is often enough, Looking at how ideal the conditions are for bacteria cell growth maybe 3 or 4 times a year might be better.

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_____________________ TheMoMan __ I'm not sure, if once or twice is often enough, Looking at how ideal the conditions are for bacteria cell growth maybe 3 or 4 times a year might be better.

You want me to change the curtain every time I take a shower???
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MoMan, I got that straight from the guy who took a swab of his shower curtain, but you're probably right. They don't get visibly nasty that fast, but that doesn't mean nothing's there...

Now that I have a quasi-real job I'm saving so I can get a shower/tub with a sliding door. Those are supposed to stay a bit cleaner. The whole man vs. microbe battle is utterly hopeless, but why not take whatever edges you can get?

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Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
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Originally posted by Xanthine:

Along the lines of home sanitation, those of you with shower curtains might want to change that out once or twice a year. That stuff we all call soap scum? It's bacteria. And some of it is pathogenic.

By "change out" do you mean toss and get a new one or is there some kind of intense cleaning I need to be doing?
I was told to wash it but I usually just toss mine. They're cheap. kreziserb is a bit skeptical about the bugs but he's cool with losing nasty shower curtains.

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"That stuff we all call soap scum? It's bacteria. And some of it is pathogenic"


uhhh... WHUT?

NO.

soap scum is soap mixed with hard water deposits and other crap that rinses off your body -- skin cells, etc. However, some kinds of bacteria and fungi can grow in it. And they do.

But I promise you that you don't have a giant plaque of biofilm just sitting on your shower wall.

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That's not what Norm Pace said...

Seriously. He took a swab and looked.

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__________________ Actually the cleanest place in the house is just under the water in the toilet (water closet for our Brit friends) cleaned every time it is flushed.

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