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Thank god they stopped these maniacs before the Energizier Bunny wound up dead [Roll Eyes]

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Do you think that Sasquatch County principal might have over-reacted? Even more than suspending students for bringing realistic squirt-guns to school? I'm certainly glad to learn that Tom Cruise is safe- it would be a shame for the Scientologists to lose him so soon after they proclaimed him a representative of a superior alien race.

Wow, I'm glad that I haven't gotten in that much trouble for all the times I've used the word "kill." To think, I might have gone to juvenile detention for trying to kill someone with kindness. Or for killing the weeds in the driveway. I wonder why he is declining to reveal the specific wording of this... um... threat. Is he embarassed? I am.

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News Update: A warrant has been issued for the arrest of a Mr Wile E Coyote, after death threats were made against a roadrunner.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
News Update: A warrant has been issued for the arrest of a Mr Wile E Coyote, after death threats were made against a roadrunner.

And yet Acme is getting of scott free. Someone has paid for good lobbyists. [crazy]

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Hi All__________________________I have to admit that it does seem like an over reaction. However School Admins are running scared, No one wants their school to be the next Columbine. Who really knows what kids have gottin their hands on. there was a kid in Detroit who was close to critical mass in a garden shed, he was only trying to generate heat, he did it by getting his hands on the ionizing pellet in smoke detectors (lots of smoke detectors). Could have been a real problem, he was smart enough to keep two less than critical mass stock piles that he labeled as radioactive. A Dearborn cop pulled him over for some infraction saw the radioactive symbol and searched the car and then the home, at that time the Feds became interested.

So how much work is it to make a dirty bomb?

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Teachers and the admin are supposed to have conversations with the students at their schools about what will happen if anything of that sort is found or heard. They also have to send Code of Conduct forms home with the students. They probably should talk more about what the consequences are. Although this might not have been a serious attempt, the admin did the right thing, as they are supposed to create a safe environment for the children. A prof of mine told us a story once about how a student of his stated he was going to go home and kill himself over the weekend in a joking manner. It was shrugged off, and the kid climbed a tower and was going to jump. My prof was called and managed to talk him down.

It's tough being the teacher to have to make that call.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Hi All__________________________I have to admit that it does seem like an over reaction. However School Admins are running scared, No one wants their school to be the next Columbine. Who really knows what kids have gottin their hands on. there was a kid in Detroit who was close to critical mass in a garden shed, he was only trying to generate heat, he did it by getting his hands on the ionizing pellet in smoke detectors (lots of smoke detectors). Could have been a real problem, he was smart enough to keep two less than critical mass stock piles that he labeled as radioactive. A Dearborn cop pulled him over for some infraction saw the radioactive symbol and searched the car and then the home, at that time the Feds became interested.

So how much work is it to make a dirty bomb?

Where did you hear that? I didn't know you could make a nuclear bomb out of Americium, let alone get enough for two sub-critical masses from a bunch of smoke detectors. Was he trying to make a 'dirty bomb' that just flings radioactive stuff everywhere, or an actual nuclear weapon?

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I don't know if MoMan's story's true or not, but I've also heard a derivative of it, including old parts from old school grandfather clocks which apparently also had some radioactive chemical in them.

Apparently he was actually trying to perform some sort of scientific experiment, and had no intention of harming anyone at all.

Judging by the Internet, however, I'd suggest the likely scenario is that it's purely fictional.

The school would have done well to sit down with the kids and ask them what was up. Chances are, they'd have come clean. Sounds like something I would put on my 'myspace' page if I was lame enough to have one.

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idiots, the school that is.

We all know you can't kill Oprah and Tom, and the energizer bunny has long bean beamed up with the alliens.

But i find it funny the drastic measures they take against these kids and how some ppl are reacting to it. At my school not a day goes by where someone says something which in the states would be taken as a serious threat. And its not like my school is bad or anything - quite the opposite my school is probally one of the safest schools to be in Canada. Its just that we are smart enough to distinguish the difference between some list some teenage girls made up out of boredom or fun and the real thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by nerdwithnofriends:
I didn't know you could make a nuclear bomb out of Americium, let alone get enough for two sub-critical masses from a bunch of smoke detectors. Was he trying to make a 'dirty bomb' that just flings radioactive stuff everywhere, or an actual nuclear weapon?

Sounds like an urban myth to me, but...

It's actually quite difficult to achieve a nuclear explosion, as the fissionable material has a tendency to heat up and melt through whatever container it's in. In nuclear weapons they basically they fire several carefully shaped sub-critical masses out of a gun towards each other.

So, whatever his intention, the worst he'd actually have achieved is a bright flash, a smoking hole in the ground, and some contaminated ground-water.

[edit] Not an urban myth and not a terrorist plot, just a science geek who didn't know when to stop.

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nerdwithnofriends & drunkennewfiemidget_____________The story first appeared in the american publication Readers Digest. He frequented antique shops and even found some old radium paint. I forgot how he got some of the materials, but he wrote to Smoke Detector companies posing as a science student working on a Science Fair project. He was trying to be just short of critical to generate heat. He was not trying to build a weapon just a heat source. He was smart enough to keep the sources seporate because he did not want it to go critical unattended. The AEC dug up a lot of the back yard and barreled it up and off.

The Famous Druid ____________Yup thats the kid I read about in the condensed story.

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Again why is the FBI concerned about some kid making a heat source with smoke detectors? I would have given the kid a scholarship and told him not to blow up his parents and stay in school.

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Am I like the only person here who made lists like that as a kid?

Because...I believe the proper statement would be "omg wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffz".

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
So how much work is it to make a dirty bomb?

If I understand what a "dirty bomb" is supposed to do (make a great big radioactive mess) then it's not much work at all. Assuming, of course, you can get the material.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
nerdwithnofriends & drunkennewfiemidget_____________The story first appeared in the american publication Readers Digest. He frequented antique shops and even found some old radium paint. I forgot how he got some of the materials, but he wrote to Smoke Detector companies posing as a science student working on a Science Fair project. He was trying to be just short of critical to generate heat. He was not trying to build a weapon just a heat source. He was smart enough to keep the sources seporate because he did not want it to go critical unattended. The AEC dug up a lot of the back yard and barreled it up and off.

The Famous Druid ____________Yup thats the kid I read about in the condensed story.

It should generate heat no matter what. Radium isn't cheap... it took Mme. Curie like ten tons of pitchblende to isolate a milligram of it. He truly must have wanted to generate a lot of heat or energy; the thing is, it's putting a lot of energy, whether not he could have felt it as warmth.


I've been doing a lot of research on nuclear physics and the Manhattan Project lately, so this stuff kind of interests me. If anybody's looking for a good read, I recommend Classic Feynman.

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I say hang the little girls.

Give them a fair trial, then hang them.

We just can't be too sure anymore, so why take chances?

These little girls have probably been exposed to video games, anyway, so it's a matter of time before the ticking time bomb of violence takes its horrible toll with these mini-terrorists.

If this seems too harsh to you, well then the image of these little girls dangling Saddam Hussein-like from a rope ought to motivate you to get involved with the local schools and prevent a future tragedy like this.

Hang 'em.

Unless, of course, their parents are huge financial supporters of the Republican party. Then give them the Dick Cheney Medal of Meritorious Recklessness and a mid-six figure job pretending to run something in Iraq from a secure bunker.

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I wonder if they cut-out yearbook pictures and pasted them into a scrapbook, too...

"That's why her hair is so big, it's full of secrets."

Is it any wonder why this country is a joke?

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Steen_________________________Back to school vioence
had the two lads that shot up Columbine High School really known how to use the propane they took into the building, it would have been a much more difficult body count. They were bent on self distruction so they did not care, once they got their list compleat or nearly.

A few years back on one of those home vidio TV shows a couple just happenoned to be filming a valley view when a mansion on the other side blew up. The owner of the mansion had laid off the help and gone to Europe for the summer, The last night he had at the mansion, cooked steak on the balcony and then pulled the gas grill inside turned off the control knob (but not the wheel valve) called for the limo and got on the plane. Three weeks later the propane being heavier than air settled in to the low point of the mansion and was found by a spark or pilot light.

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TheMoMan:

There is a vast difference between what Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold did and what this group of girls did which should not be ignored.

The girls' MySpace posts (taken down now, but still in Google's cache for the morbidly curious... no, I'm not providing links or directions) took the tone of "I think we should kill the energizer bunny too... those commercials are annoying." By comparison, Eric Harris was posting about how many pipe bombs he had built and how many guns he had collected.

The girls had no weapons. Eric and Dylan had 12 gauge shotguns, 9mm handguns and a variety of poorly constructed bombs.

The girls have no previous criminal record. Eric and Dylan had been previously caught with stolen computers and a judge decided both needed psychiatric help.

Understand... I don't think the girls should have gotten off without punishment, but I believe the punishment should fit the crime. Charging them with conspiracy to commit murder seems a bit over-the-top considering that their list of 'victims' includes a fictional character (it also included George Bush and the FBI got involved, although that wasn't in the linked article and we only wish he was a fictional character).

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Holy crap... George Bush is real boy? I thought those news stories were just urban legends...

I'm not even sure how the connection can be made between these girls and Columbine. Yes, they're all high school students. Yes, they had friends.

OH MY GAWD! File charges. Sound the alarms! It's the next Columbine. Teenagers filled with angst and hatred... what an oddity of adolescence.

You would be hard-pressed to find a person who hasn't made a comment like, "go jump off a cliff" or "go play in traffic" or any other variation thereof. Whether you make it public, or keep it inside your head with the other voices, makes no difference. You're all going to jail now.

I agree, that in this politically correct culture we live in, that the girls should have been told about the effects their blog had on others. But comparing it to Columbine is a stretch of the imagination.

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Unfortunately, from what I've seen and read, administrators often feel they have to over-react in order to appear to be taking sufficient measures for the public. Anything less, and they can end up in a lot of trouble with public opinion, and could lose their jobs. Having dealt with a more than a few overprotective parents of college students, they can be just plain idiotic, but surprisingly good at getting other parents to go along with them, and I can only imagine how bad it gets at the high school level. It's stupid, but it's the society we live in, where children must be protected from absolutely everything.

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Steen & catgoddess ______________________That becomes the problem, How do you tell the difference between Little Darlins and the ones that would pull a trigger. The school admin has to protect all of the students, so he dumps the problem on the local prosicuter. So is it blown out of proportion maybe if your child is not on their list. A local school admin here in Michigan ot into a heap of trouble because he tried to strip search some students claiming that they did not have any consitutional rights.

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This is a problem that could be resolved by educating the fools in these districts before they're allowed to breed. Their children are safer in schools (even the ones without metal detectors) than they are in the car during the ride to school. Schools are still, statistically, the safest place in the world for children. Recent (obsessive) media coverage of isolated incidents has lead to (misguided) expectation of danger from fellow students.

If parents really want to increase the safety of schools, they should pay more attention to the (nasty) crap that the lunchrooms are allowed to serve their children and the fact that children are often not allowed to run on the playground (due to liability issues if they fall). More children will die of early-onset diabetes and obesity-related complications from these myopic policies than will ever die of gunshot wounds.

Beyond that, education has been shown to lengthen life-spans more than any other variable. If we want our kids to live long, happy lives, we should insist that schools actually educate them- you know, teach them how to think critically- instead of just drilling them in preparation for some Federal standardized (stoopid! Fscking Lame!) test!

We should make it easier to fire crappy teachers and by increasing teacher sallaries increase the likelihood that we will hire good teachers. A big chunk of the military budget should be diverted to education and universal health coverage for children- what good are safe borders if the citicens within them are uneducated? By increasing the level of health care children receive we can effectively increase their average I.Q. AND lengthen their lifespans AND reduce the amount of money they must spend on healthcare when they grow up.

Instead of running around trying to prevent highly unlikely scenarios from occuring, lets focus on the likely ones and spend our money where it will do the most good. I hear a lot of politicians talk about family values, but I see very few of them legislate in ways that are good for families.

That's my rant. [Roll Eyes]

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ScholasticSpastic wins this thread. The end. It's over. Nothing to see here.
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I win? I WIN??!! I never win anything! This is soooo cool! Oh, my gosh, oh, my... okay, breath... um... ... ack!<thud>

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Wow, it's a good thing I had those jumper cables on my nipples because I'd be dead now if I hadn't!

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