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Demosthenes wrote:
It's basic physical attraction, and don't try to convince me that, if you were single, you'd throw Kate Moss out of bed, because I wouldn't believe you in a million years.

I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but Kate Moss is gross and I actually would toss her out of my bed. The woman has an okay face, but from the neck down she looks like a freakin' skeleton and necrophilia has never been my thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
Scanning a room, a guy sees Christina Aguilara, Paris Hilton, and someone with a monitor tan and little-to-no makeup. Guess what 95% of men aren't goign to react to. It's basic physical attraction, and don't try to convince me that, if you were single, you'd throw Kate Moss out of bed, because I wouldn't believe you in a million years.

While not wanting to disagree with your basic point, your choice of examples is poor.
Kate Moss and Paris Hilton?
Eeewwww !
As far as I can tell, the majority of their fan bases are female.

Now if you'd said Lyv Tyler speaking elvish.....

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
While not wanting to disagree with your basic point, your choice of examples is poor.
Kate Moss and Paris Hilton?
Eeewwww !

Y'know, I've been so out of the "checking out chicks" loop as of late that I don't even know who people think of as "hot" anymore.

My roommate, who is a generally stand-up guy and a total geek, and has dumped his fair share of smart, nerdy chicks for not being attractive enough, says:
Scarlett Johansson, Milla Jovovich, and "that chick from 'A Life Less Ordinary,' what's her name?"

His input, also, when asked specifically about appearances:
"Geeky women tend to be very smart in their specialized area but socially awkward. When given the decision to spend a few hours playing Warcraft and taking care of their appearance, they'll always choose Warcraft, and it shows. I'd prefer somebody well-rounded who knows how to carry herself at a social gathering."

There you have it, straight from the geekboy's mouth.

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quote:
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I've had blackouts that have lasted longer.....really.

Wow, that's a load of drugs and or alcohol... or both.
Yes. Yes it was. 15 years down the shitter. Add in some incarcerations in foreign lands, a motor cycle near death experience and some really risky behavior as a young'un and I consider myself lucky to be alive.
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I am going to tell you exactly how I am different from every other man and have no instinctual sex drive.

That isn't even a paraphrase of what I said. I was talking personally as a geek. Your ready to lump us together...

Fine...

Then you as woman will look for the first dumb football player who has abs of steel and stanted forhead, become best friends with a geek guy who likes you -- just so complain to the geek what a nosle-head the foot player is. The geek will tell you how he feels and you'll give him the LJBF speach...

That is the "biological fact" of geek women no?

Regarding your last paragraph: he's no kid, he's 28 at this point. [Roll Eyes]

Being 28 for a man can mean that he emotionally anywhere from 3 to 106... And that can even change moment to moment.

Also, I'm not generalizing all men and women, simply rolling out a mix of biological facts,

Like mine above? Your just spewing sterotypes and ranting because -- I'd guess -- you personally have had bad luck in love or your just super feminist.

what my experience has taught me, and what my male friends have told me, straight out, when they were feeling chock full of honesty...err, beer.

Men + Beer = stupid, not honest. For a point I'd like to drive home... Where were they "full of honesty" and where exsactly did you meet these men? If both are the bar, I'm not suprised; and you shouldn't be either. Try looking in book stores and computer shops.

Scanning a room, a guy sees Christina Aguilara, Paris Hilton, and someone with a monitor tan and little-to-no makeup.

Girl without makeup and a monitor tan...
Have any idea how many med don't like makeup?
I argue with my fiance any time she puts a little on, because I don't think you girls need it.

Guess what 95% of men aren't goign to react to. It's basic physical attraction, and don't try to convince me that, if you were single, you'd throw Kate Moss out of bed,

If I were in bed with anyone, I wouldn't be single. I don't believe in casual sex. I think that most male geeks don't either... You'd have to ask them.

because I wouldn't believe you in a million years. This is why lots of geeky guys are single throughout the high school years; their standards for what a woman should look like is marred by years of mind-numbing airbrushed pornography and lusting after Natalie Portman. (Trust me, I was there, right along with 'em. Please notice that I've never had a girlfriend.)

Natalie Portman is pretty and from what I hear smart as a whip, too... That being said, I dearly love my woman, and love what she looks like. She isn't a size 0, she isn't 6 ft. tall, she doesn't have perfect skin. Getting to know someone, really know them, changes what you think about their looks.

Younger guys tend to go for the dumb 'n pretty because they're not ready to be challenged; it tends to come to a lot of guys later in life, when their age group generally don't have looks to fall back on.

Some guys thats true of... But I don't think that's true of typical geeks.

My Greatgrand Father, and two of Grandfather's brothers, and two of my uncles all married early in life -- and none of them are/were "dumb 'n pretty." All of them are still married, save the uncle who died. Note, I come from a line of geeks and engineers...

So, I've got a weird mishmash of thoughts on the matter, but I think they pertain to the original subject (since when do I pay attention to things like that though?) and it provides an alternative to the chorus of, "There aren't any nerdy girls around here!"

The fact is there are less women than men in the technical feilds. 2 good friends of mine are girls studying electrical engineering. Both of them are harassed by geek electrical engineers trying to impress them... One of them isn't intrested in a relationship right now, and the other is muslim.

Aside from the two of them, there are a lot of graduate school geeks in CS and EE, but all of them are married or in serious relationships. There are only three or four undergrad girls in CS (don't know about EE). The girls in CS that I know about are either attached or not looking.

Being attached, I couldn't care less... But if my university is an average representation, then I think the complaining of geeks on this board is true.

(PS, they're hiding. Behind their monitors. From you.)

Your forgetting, if a geek is at a terminal, the building could be on fire and we wouldn't ... hmmm.. do I smell smoke... oh well I've gotta read slashdot ... even notice. Girls, if your intrested in a geek, buy a clue stick... or better yet a clue bat.

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Then you as woman will look for the first dumb football player who has abs of steel and stanted forhead, become best friends with a geek guy who likes you -- just so complain to the geek what a nosle-head the foot player is.

I as a woman have an eye for tall, well-muscled men with hair on their heads, give off pheromones, and have a healthy look in their eyes.

I as a masochist look for the same criteria with a voice that would probably sound good dropping orders and a predatory manner of carrying himself.

Trust me, this has definitely got me into trouble before. Instincts are instincts.

That is the "biological fact" of geek women no?

That is the biological fact of women, period.

Being 28 for a man can mean that he emotionally anywhere from 3 to 106... And that can even change moment to moment.

Good point, but he's a smart man as it is and he knows what his body wants. (Being his ex-girlfriend, one would think I'd know this better than you would.)

Like mine above? Your just spewing sterotypes and ranting because -- I'd guess -- you personally have had bad luck in love or your just super feminist.

Me? A feminist? You're just making yourself sound stupid at this point...and ignoring the point. Please, give me more examples of how Special And Sensitive you are, because you have the ability to measure somebody's IQ and hobbies from across a crowded room, and your hormones are screaming, "WE WANT A TREKKIE" rather than "WE WANT VAGINA." I'm sure. [Roll Eyes]

Where were they "full of honesty" and where exsactly did you meet these men? If both are the bar, I'm not suprised; and you shouldn't be either. Try looking in book stores and computer shops.

These are my oldest and truest friends you're insulting here, you twit; they've got brains and jobs and specialties of their own. They've also got no reason to lie to me; some of them are much older than you or I and have taken it upon themselves to be mentors or brothers to me.

Book stores and computer shops, indeed. Do you have any idea where I work? I do tech work with some of the most pig-headed, foul-brained people I've ever met, and guess what! They all love science fiction and computers. Guess what else they love? Natalie Portman's tits. Want to hear a thirty-minute lectuer about Jessica Alba's cup size? Ask a geek boy.

Have any idea how many med don't like makeup?
I argue with my fiance any time she puts a little on, because I don't think you girls need it.


Again with how different you are from all other men. I'm not buying it.

I don't believe in casual sex. I think that most male geeks don't either.

I beg to differ, having been on the receiving end of geeky casual lays enough times.

Guess what? I show up to programmer's groups and LUGs in jeans and a t-shirt and I'm just another face. I've shown up on my way to a club or somesuch in fitted clothes and a little makeup, and suddenly they're all asking me what I think of their code. Geeks are visual creatures just like any other man. It's been proven that men react to visual stimulation more than anything else. I would love to see you argue those studies.

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Quoth Demosthenes
Guess what? I show up to programmer's groups and LUGs in jeans and a t-shirt and I'm just another face. I've shown up on my way to a club or somesuch in fitted clothes and a little makeup, and suddenly they're all asking me what I think of their code. Geeks are visual creatures just like any other man. It's been proven that men react to visual stimulation more than anything else. I would love to see you argue those studies.


Hmm...funny...I'd wager it'd go slightly the other way around with me. Show up as you would at the LUG, and I'd whip out my iBook, and ask if you might fancy a glance at some cool stuff. Show up otherwise, and I'd probably ask you if you were interested in some coffee. [Wink]

(Actually, I'm pretty damn partial to a good espresso any which way. [Big Grin] )

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quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
Again with how different you are from all other men. I'm not buying it.

Off topic, but...

I've always found that anyone that needs to point out how different they are from "other men" isn't. At all. When a guy tells me how different he is, I use that as an indicator to run. Same with guys that confess how they used to be the stereotypical bad boy but have changed.

It doesn't mean anything for you (in general, I'm not talking about a specific "you" here) to say you are different or how you have changed. Those are labels that are only worth something when someone else has recognized those qualities in you.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Quoth Demosthenes
Guess what? I show up to programmer's groups and LUGs in jeans and a t-shirt and I'm just another face. I've shown up on my way to a club or somesuch in fitted clothes and a little makeup, and suddenly they're all asking me what I think of their code. Geeks are visual creatures just like any other man. It's been proven that men react to visual stimulation more than anything else. I would love to see you argue those studies.


Hmm...funny...I'd wager it'd go slightly the other way around with me. Show up as you would at the LUG, and I'd whip out my iBook, and ask if you might fancy a glance at some cool stuff. Show up otherwise, and I'd probably ask you if you were interested in some coffee. [Wink]

(Actually, I'm pretty damn partial to a good espresso any which way. [Big Grin] )

But you, my dear dragonman, are a gem among men. And the stereotypical generalizations really aren't your bag. Oh sure, you wouldn't throw Liv Tyler, Milla Jovanovich, or a hottie barista out of bed for eating crackers, but you you've never come off (to me, anyway) as putting a higher priority on cup size than IQ.

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quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:

Also, some guys are just plain attracted to girly-girls. One of my exes is obsessed with Asian girls, because he claims that they're "the girliest of all," and you can "just toss them around in bed." He's one of the geekiest kids I know, and he wants nothing to do with the women on his programming team. In fact, he doesn't want a woman, he just wants a girl who won't make him work for anything.

OMG, I think I'm living with that guy.
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Gamemaster--you argue with your fiance about putting a little makeup on? Why? It's her face. If she likes make-up why try to change her? I hear snippets like that and it sends a shiver up my spine and makes me glad (again) that I am single. Sometimes it is lonely, but at least I don't have someone trying to change me to fit their cookie cutter image of how I am supposed to be.
Whether us 'girls' need it or not is not the point. Whether you like it or not is not the point. If she likes it, or not IS the point.

Oh and Demosthenes--Aint that the truth about being attracted to some men. By the time you figure out that the competent, self-confident, decisive man is really a domineering, controlling
abusive a$$ a lot of trouble has passed.

For the record I have dated geeks that were asses too. It is not a geek/non-geek thing....it is a male thing.

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I've got to agree about the whole running when you hear some guy say he's different. Sometimes that translates into "I'm special and can abide by whatever behavior I want to. And if you contradict me or do not like what I'm doing, then you are the one with the outdated morals. Oh and don't expect me to tell you when our relationship becomes unmonogamous."

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Demosthenes, you need to lighten up. Much of what GameMaster said is true for a select group of people.

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Is there something wrong with being attracted to someone because of their appearance? With the exception of school, where I already know everyone despite their appearance, the initial attractor for me is appearance. It's what gets my attention.

one-night stands can work out fine when the parties involved are involved because of physical attraction. Longer-term relationships, however, would do well to be based off of more than physical attraction because of the fact that said attraction will eventually die off due to age, and there are going to be times when you'll have to deal with your partner when he/she is not in their most glamorous state. Besides, if like my parents you were often separated by naval deployments, looks don't aren't really that important when writing a letter (or, in my dad's case, recording a mini-audiocassette for baby nwnf to listen to before he went to bed).

What do I find attractive in a woman? When it comes to physical features, basically any in-shape caucasian woman gets me going (not trying to be racist, I'm just *generally* not attracted to the non-caucasian physicques).

What do I find attractive intellectually? Independence. Not a 'die, male scum, I've no need for you' type of indepence; think 'frontier women' and you'll get my ideal mindset. I love people I can talk to about computers, because such persons are a rarity here in montana, and so of course I would love to find that in a woman, but it's not required. I find myself most attracted to women who are better thin me in one aspect- not all around better, because then I feel inferior and the relationship just isn't fun. But I go after the blackbelts at the dojo, or the straight-A girls who have fun with calculus and don't have a problem with algebra (I'm pretty good with calc, but I fail when it comes to algebra). But if you put me next to a blackbelt-wearing, algebra-doing young lady, I may begin to feel uncomfortable.


I consider myself a typical teenage-geek; I'm not super geeky or socially reclusive, nor am I super popular; but I get along well with people, especially those on a higher intellectual level. I think that if you interview many geeks of my social standing, you'd find that they would have similar tastes in women.

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Very well said.

On your first point, there is nothing wrong with physical attraction. I would say it is a necessary component in a relationship. I think you get it in a couple different ways. Personality and how you feel about someone plays a part in how attractive you find them physically, if a really hot guy kicked puppies in front of me, I'd find him considerably less attractive because of that and it would carry over into my physical perception of him. (And possibly of other men who bear physical similarities to him.)

From my own perspective, I can see a picture of a guy and consider him attractive or not, but I don't get really excited about guys that I've never talked to. I'm far more likely to fantasize about an average looking or even a conventionally unattractive guy that I had a fantastic conversation with than I am to fantasize about a Hollywood leading man or a male model.

I'm probably just weird and depraved though. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by ChildeRoland:
Demosthenes, you need to lighten up. Much of what GameMaster said is true for a select group of people.

Unfortunately, that particular group of people became almost completely extinct some time in the early 19th century. At least, some people here are being honest - any girl who says she would prefer a 400lb everquest nerd with 5 chins over what demos has described is nothing but a liar. Now, I'm not a huge fan of excessively shallow people, but they're way better than liars, IMHO.
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FS, "verbing words weirds language" is the quote from Calvin and Hobbes.

quoting FireSnake
I've always found that anyone that needs to point out how different they are from "other men" isn't. At all.

I'm not! I'm saying, "This is the way I am, and I think my point of veiw on women isn't all that different from other geeks."

When a guy tells me how different he is, I use that as an indicator to run. Same with guys that confess how they used to be the stereotypical bad boy but have changed.

Indeed, same with people who recently "stopped" drinking or doing drugs unless it's been a long time since they've drank or did drugs.

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I as a woman have an eye for tall, well-muscled men with hair on their heads, give off pheromones, and have a healthy look in their eyes.

I as a masochist look for the same criteria with a voice that would probably sound good dropping orders and a predatory manner of carrying himself.

Trust me, this has definitely got me into trouble before. Instincts are instincts.


That is the biological fact of women, period.

So, any woman who says "Ew, he's gross, he has too much mucle" is lying?

Good point, but he's a smart man as it is and he knows what his body wants. (Being his ex-girlfriend, one would think I'd know this better than you would.)

Smart doesn't mean he knows what he wants, and doesn't speak to his emotional state.

Me? A feminist? You're just making yourself sound stupid at this point...and ignoring the point.

No, I'm not. I was trying to reason out why you are so cynical about men. I was trying to swade you to point out that not all men are distracted by shiny objects.

Please, give me more examples of how Special And Sensitive you are, because you have the ability to measure somebody's IQ and hobbies from across a crowded room, and your hormones are screaming, "WE WANT A TREKKIE" rather than "WE WANT VAGINA." I'm sure. [Roll Eyes]

I'm not saying that I'm special or different... In fact that is the exact oppisite of what I'm saying... I am using my own wants/desires to illistrate that not all men are just after the physical.

Moreover, I never said that I canmeasure someone's IQ from across the room.

These are my oldest and truest friends you're insulting here, you twit; they've got brains and jobs and specialties of their own.

I meant no insult. I retract the bar question, althought I thought it was fair game.

They've also got no reason to lie to me;

I never said or implied they were. I honestly think that whatever they told you is true, for them.

some of them are much older than you or I and have taken it upon themselves to be mentors or brothers to me.

Book stores and computer shops, indeed. Do you have any idea where I work? I do tech work with some of the most pig-headed, foul-brained people I've ever met, and guess what! They all love science fiction and computers. Guess what else they love? Natalie Portman's tits. Want to hear a thirty-minute lectuer about Jessica Alba's cup size? Ask a geek boy.

Jessica Alba is cute... yes. Natalie Portman is sexy... yes. But would I date either of them? If I were single, and when I talked to them I had reasonably inteligent converstions, I may ask them out. Does that mean I wouldn't ask out the cute programmer girl, not wearing makeup, with the cute coke-bottle glasses first.

Again with how different you are from all other men. I'm not buying it.

I'm not.... There is a anti makeup thread arround here somewhere... At least me and Neo prefer a girl without makeup.

I beg to differ, having been on the receiving end of geeky casual lays enough times.

What about other geek guys on the board?

Guess what? I show up to programmer's groups and LUGs in jeans and a t-shirt and I'm just another face.

If a female came to an IEEE-CS meeting, and when a few did come... they weren't another face. In fact the only 2 female members I recall are a former officer who is now married to another officer and later her younger sister who was chated up by a few of the guys. If your looking for single lonely geeks looking for geekettes I think you should come out to milwaukee and stop by the university.

I've shown up on my way to a club or somesuch in fitted clothes and a little makeup, and suddenly they're all asking me what I think of their code.

If they are at a console and they are geeks, and they noticed you... Then, you must have been naked and had beer with you.

Geeks are visual creatures just like any other man. It's been proven that men react to visual stimulation more than anything else. I would love to see you argue those studies.

That's easy... Blindfold a guy and perform sexual actions with him. Time the time it takes to get a responce. Show him nudy pictures, but don't let him touch himself. time the time it takes to get a responce. I think you'll find there is a difference than with the study.

Moreover, when's the last time you've heard "Hey, lets go back to my place and let me stare at you naked... but don't let me touch myself or you in anyway..."

Just because sexual interest is tied to visual stimulous doesn't mean that men will only find girls who look like they should be on the cover of womens magazines attractive. And, it doesn't mean that all men (even all men our age or younger) are so wrapped in the superficial that we'll not be able to beyond a pretty face and a nice rack.

I'm not denying that first impressions are based on looks. But, 1) what one man may find attractive another my not, and 2) if a man isn't able to see you for who you really are, he's not worth your time in the first place.

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Gamemaster--you argue with your fiance about putting a little makeup on? Why?

First, and formost, because I like how she looks and I think that makeup is a mask. Would you date a guy who whenever he leaves the house he hides who/what he really is? Same thing. Masks and makeup are fine for film or theater, but they just get in the way of real life.

Second, it comes off on me and my dress clothes when we are close... Dress clothes need to be dry-cleaned when dirty and I'm a poor college student. Moreover, dispite the fact that I want to kiss her and she wants to kiss me, she can't -- it'll smudge her lipstick. She can't cry at a sad part in a symphony or play, because it's ruin her eye makeup... But if it really moves her do so, she should cry and not be ashamed or worried about what people will think. Life is too short to worry about what the mindless masses think.

It's her face. If she likes make-up why try to change her?

I like her for her. She doesn't have anyone to fool or impress. If it was truly for her, and not because it "was expected" or because she "wants to hide this blemish"... I'd be fine with it.

I hear snippets like that and it sends a shiver up my spine and makes me glad (again) that I am single. Sometimes it is lonely, but at least I don't have someone trying to change me to fit their cookie cutter image of how I am supposed to be.

I wear shoes till they have holes, and then they start to be comfortable. The bottom of the back of most of my pants are torn and worn, because I buy them too long. I presonally don't care and it's comfortable.

My fiance has made me replace my shoes and get new pants. Do I feel like I'm being changed? Yes, at first... It's a pain to go shopping and replace perfectly useful, though frightfully unattractive and beat up, clothing.

So, I change something as trival as shoes and add some new pants to wardrobe, and she doesn't wear makeup most of the time (only when we go out to special places). Is that a crime against humanity?

Whether us 'girls' need it or not is not the point. Whether you like it or not is not the point. If she likes it, or not IS the point.

The same thing would go about my shoes and pants would it not? Well, she has a grip and I have a grip... we nag, we make compromises, and we are still who we are... just with a slightly different wrapping.

For the record I have dated geeks that were asses too. It is not a geek/non-geek thing....it is a male thing.

True, it isn't a geek/non-geek thing. It's a human thing. Some people are asses, male and female.

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GameMaster wrote:
FS, "verbing words weirds language" is the quote from Calvin and Hobbes.

*whap*

If you're going to take a shot at her signature and try to correct her, at least make your correction correct...

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When was "access" a thing? I've heard of "accessory," but not an "access." You can say "I have an excess of such-and-such," but that's a different spelling and a different part of speech. :confuzzled:

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
When was "access" a thing? I've heard of "accessory," but not an "access." You can say "I have an excess of such-and-such," but that's a different spelling and a different part of speech. :confuzzled:

I request access into your cave.
Do I have access to your savings fund?
Do I have access to your chasity belt? Grant me access.

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whoops. I was wrong, too. Sorry.

The reason I thought It was "verbing words" is because Watterson nouns "verbing" which ends in an "ing" so it should be acting like a verb; and I knew it wasn't just nouns because I remember a reference to adjectives (unambiguous) which a friend of mine verbed in an AP practice exam essay.

Any case, yes, I was wrong too -- and I am sorry.

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quote:
Originally posted by alfrin:
quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
When was "access" a thing? I've heard of "accessory," but not an "access." You can say "I have an excess of such-and-such," but that's a different spelling and a different part of speech. :confuzzled:

I request access into your cave.
Do I have access to your savings fund?
Do I have access to your chasity belt? Grant me access.

But it's still a verb in those instances... have access is the verb phrase, right? Or is it acting like a gerund?

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code:
$dict access

Access \Ac*cess"\ (#; 277), n. [F. acc[`e]s, L. accessus, fr.
accedere. See {Accede}.]
1. A coming to, or near approach; admittance; admission;
accessibility; as, to gain access to a prince.
[1913 Webster]

I did repel his letters, and denied
His access to me. --Shak.
[1913 Webster]

2. The means, place, or way by which a thing may be
approached; passage way; as, the access is by a neck of
land. "All access was thronged." --Milton.
[1913 Webster]

3. Admission to sexual intercourse.
[1913 Webster]
4. Increase by something added; addition; as, an access of
territory. [In this sense accession is more generally
used.]
[1913 Webster]

I, from the influence of thy looks, receive
Access in every virtue. --Milton.
[1913 Webster]

5. An onset, attack, or fit of disease.
[1913 Webster]

The first access looked like an apoplexy. --Burnet.
[1913 Webster]

6. A paroxysm; a fit of passion; an outburst; as, an access
of fury. [A Gallicism]
[1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

access
n 1: the right to enter [syn: {entree}, {accession}, {admittance}]
2: the right to obtain or make use of or take advantage of
something (as services or membership)
3: a way of entering or leaving; "he took a wrong turn on the
access to the bridge" [syn: {approach}]
4: (computer science) the operation of reading or writing
stored information [syn: {memory access}]
5: the act of approaching or entering; "he gained access to the
building"
v 1: obtain or retrieve from a storage device; as of information
on a computer
2: reach or gain access to; "How does one access the attic in
this house?"; "I cannot get to the T.V. antenna, even if I
climb on the roof" [syn: {get at}]

From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes]:

299 Moby Thesaurus words for "access":
Jacksonian epilepsy, Rasputin, Rolandic epilepsy, Svengali, VIP,
abdominal epilepsy, accessibility, accession, accretion, accrual,
accruement, accumulation, acquired epilepsy, activated epilepsy,
addition, adit, admission, admittance, advance, advent,
affect epilepsy, afflux, affluxion, aggrandizement, air lock,
aisle, akinetic epilepsy, alley, ambulatory, amplification,
aperture, apoplexy, appreciation, approach, approachability,
approaching, appropinquation, approximation, appulse, arcade,
arrest, artery, ascent, attack, attainability, augmentation,
autonomic epilepsy, availability, avenue, bad influence,
ballooning, big wheel, blaze of temper, bloating, blockage, blowup,
boom, boost, broadening, buildup, burst, cardiac epilepsy, channel,
cloister, clonic spasm, clonus, colonnade, come-at-ableness,
coming, coming near, coming toward, communication, conduit,
connection, convulsion, corridor, cortical epilepsy, court,
covered way, cramp, crescendo, cursive epilepsy, defile,
development, diurnal epilepsy, eclampsia, edema, elevation,
eminence grise, enlargement, entrance, entranceway, entree, entry,
entryway, epilepsia, epilepsia gravior, epilepsia major,
epilepsia minor, epilepsia mitior, epilepsia nutans,
epilepsia tarda, epilepsy, epitasis, eruption, exit, expansion,
explosion, extension, falling sickness, ferry, fit, five-percenter,
flare-up, flood, flowing toward, focal epilepsy, ford, forthcoming,
frenzy, friend at court, gain, gallery, gangplank, gangway,
getatableness, gettableness, good influence, grand mal,
gray eminence, greatening, grip, growth, gush, gust, hall,
haute mal, heavyweight, hidden hand, high words, hike,
hysterical epilepsy, ictus, imminence, import, importation,
importing, in, income, incoming, increase, increment, infiltration,
inflation, influence, influence peddler, influencer, ingoing,
ingress, ingression, ingroup, inlet, input, insertion, insinuation,
intake, interchange, interpenetration, intersection, introduction,
introgression, intrusion, jump, junction, key, kingmaker, lane,
larval epilepsy, laryngeal epilepsy, laryngospasm, latent epilepsy,
leakage, leap, lobby, lobbyist, lockjaw, lords of creation,
man of influence, manipulator, matutinal epilepsy, means of access,
menstrual epilepsy, mounting, multiplication, musicogenic epilepsy,
myoclonous epilepsy, nearing, nearness, nocturnal epilepsy,
obtainability, obtainableness, occlusion, oncoming, onset,
open arms, open door, open sesame, opening, openness, orgasm,
outburst, outlet, overpass, pang, paroxysm, pass, passage,
passageway, penetrability, penetration, percolation, perviousness,
petit mal, physiologic epilepsy, portico, powers that be,
pressure group, procurability, procurableness, productiveness,
proliferation, proximation, psychic epilepsy, psychomotor epilepsy,
railroad tunnel, raise, reachableness, reception, reflex epilepsy,
rise, rotatoria, route, sally, scene, securableness, seepage,
seizure, sensory epilepsy, serial epilepsy, sexual climax,
sinister influence, snowballing, spasm, special interests,
special-interest group, spell, spread, stitch, stoppage, storm,
stroke, surge, swelling, taking, tardy epilepsy, tetanus, tetany,
the Establishment, throes, thromboembolism, thrombosis,
tonic epilepsy, tonic spasm, torsion spasm, traject, trajet,
traumatic epilepsy, trismus, tumescence, tunnel, turn, twinge,
ucinate epilepsy, underpass, up, upping, upsurge, upswing, uptrend,
upturn, very important person, vestibule, visitation, waxing, way,
way in, wheeler-dealer, widening, wire-puller



From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc]:

Access

1. <language> An English-like query language used in the
{Pick} {operating system}.

2. <database, product> {Microsoft Access}.

(1994-11-08)
From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]:

ACCESS, persons. Approach, or the means or power of approaching. Sometimes
by access is understood sexual intercourse; at other times the opportunity
of communicating together so that sexual intercourse may have taken place,
is also called access. 1 Turn. & R. 141.
2. In this sense a man who can readily be in company with his wife, is
said to have access to her; and in that case, her issue are presumed to be
his issue. But this presumption may be rebutted by positive evidence that no
sexual intercourse took place. lb.
3. Parents are not allowed to prove non-access, for the purpose of
bastardizing the issue of the wife; nor will their declarations be received
after their deaths, to prove the want of access, with a like intent. 1 P. A.
Bro. R. App. xlviii.; Rep. tem. Hard. 79; Bull. N. P. 113; Cowp. R. 592; 8
East, R. 203; 11 East, R. 133. 2 Munf. R. 242; 3 Munf. R. 599; 7 N. S. 553;
4 Hayw R. 221, 3 Hawks, R 623 1 Ashm. R. 269; 6 Binn. R. 283; 3 Paige's R.
129; 7 N. S. 548. See Shelf. on Mar. & Div. 711; and Paternity.

I like dict. [Smile]

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Courtesy of dictionary.com:

7 entries found for access.

ac·cess   
noun.
1)A means of approaching, entering, exiting, communicating with, or making use of: a store with easy access.
2) The act of approaching.
3) The ability or right to approach, enter, exit, communicate with, or make use of: has access to the restricted area; has access to classified material.
4)Public access.
5)An increase by addition.
6)An outburst or onset: an access of rage.

tr.v. ac·cessed, ac·cess·ing, ac·cess·es
To obtain access to, especially by computer: used a browser to access a website; accessed her bank account online.

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