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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted July 08, 2009 08:57      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
__________________ So how much hardware will it take to run this OS?

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26151/53/

____ SO will it be usable with generic X86 machines?

____ Will it breath new life into old hardware?

____ Any one here have any experience with the OS?

____ Beta Testers?

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I'm guessing it's not going to even get to the alpha stage for a year or so, considering that the Chrome browser, which is apparently going to be the center of the project, has yet to reach that stage itself on Linux.

Interesting project, and might be worth looking into, but I don't see myself running my apps exclusively off of the internet. It might make a good distro for multiple-user situations, like university computer labs, though. It also might make a good live distro for keeping handy on a CD or flash drive.

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For a while, at least, I think it'll only be useful for netbooks -- merely as a means to get on the intertubes quickly and easily. I have a feeling this won't be much more than a Cloud client OS (Google knows that there are umpteen hundred *nix variants out there -- it doesn't need to be seen as yet another player in a crowded market.)

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___________________ So how much power do these so called Netbooks have, are they based on X86 (32bit) or on a more power full processor?

____ How good will the connection have to be, if the machine is handing off tasks to the server?

____ Are these netbooks just hand held dumb terminals?

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:

____ Are these netbooks just hand held dumb terminals?

From the sound of things, it seems that's closer to the case. It sounds like most stuff will run the through the Chrome browser.

The main benefit I see is that maybe the browser will finally be usable for Linux users in the near future, since it's supposed to be so important to the OS.

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Actually, though it may run on generic x86 machines (it's Linux after all), the OS is made for the power and screen size of netbooks. The Intel Atom is basically a regular x86 processor lacking out-of-order execution but having Hyperthreading to compensate that performance lost. They seem to have the power of a Pemtium 4/D of twice the clock speed, so they hold well.

I doubt we'll be seeing a preview of the OS for a couple of months.

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The BBC are already giving it the "It wont be any good for games or office work and Windows is on 90% or more of PCs" lines at full blast, so Microsoft must be worried.

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____________________ This author really summed up one of my fears____

Linky:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43156/141/

___ I still have trouble when using Excite for searches, the connection breaks search the same topic with Google and it works. Is there a rotten smell around?

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
____________________ This author really summed up one of my fears____

Linky:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43156/141/

___ I still have trouble when using Excite for searches, the connection breaks search the same topic with Google and it works. Is there a rotten smell around?

I think you are slightly over paranoid there Moman. I just cannot join the dots between Google releasing yet another Linux distro, and us all becoming drones in the service of our new Google overlords.

On the plus side, when Google entered two other mature and well defined markets, webmail and browsers, they did so with some truly original worthwhile practical ideas, so it will be interesting to watch.

On the other hand this could be hugely expensive stupid move. This is well argued by Dan Lyons in his Fake Steve persona here.

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__________________ Callipygous ____________________

____ Maybe having been in an intelligence gathering squadron, (Photos, Radio intercepts, Radar intercepts, and Radar jamming). I was witness to tech. that did not hit mainstream for twenty years.

____ I am quite sure that google knows more about you and myself than we know about our selves. What we search for, is telling of our inner self. It would not take an IT specialist very long to build a profile with our search habits and Fuzzy Logic, now do you want one company knowing that much about you? I use multiple search engines just to spread the profile around. Today I searched on "Tow-Dollies with brakes", using Excite, often when using Excite I will get a Connection failed report (Try Again) tab. This never happens with Google, I think, I smell a possible dead rat.

____ At one time during my service experience I took leave to visit my parents, at the same time there was a conference for a subversive group in my parents town. When I got back to the Squadron I was debriefed about my activities during leave home. I never attended or entered the building that the conference was held, after the debriefing The Squadron Commander admitted that my account matched their reports from the tail. So while you may call it paranoid, I know that it happens.

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TheMoMan wrote:
often when using Excite I will get a Connection failed report (Try Again) tab. This never happens with Google, I think, I smell a possible dead rat.

Google has dozens of data centers scattered around the world, and Excite... well, this is what was left a few years ago. It's not surprising that you have connection problems with Excite and not with Google.

...

Also, I find it hard to believe that anyone can take an article seriously when it claims that "Microsoft isn't a monopoly at all" when Microsoft has already been found guilty of antitrust violations in the US and the EU, not to mention all of the juvenile name-calling and the author of the article making definitive statements about how Chrome OS will work despite the fact that it hasn't been created yet.

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__________________ So he's a Winblows FanBoy _______

____ Or Google has magic Kool-Aid _______________

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Google thinks very long term. Did it occur to you that this is just a first step in creating the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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_________________ Google _______________

____ I subscribe to three different news feeds, and the comments from various tech writers falls into two camps, It will unseat M$ or it will not. The other thread is that Ubuntu will be the big loser in this fray. One line of thought is that companies will not want their info being held by some one they have not vetted, and is not under their roof and payroll.

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MoMan: On point #3, the easy answer to that is:
So host it yourself! This setup will by no means require you to use Google services, though I do agree with the sentiment that it will give Google even more information.

One thing I don't care for in Google Chrome (the browser) is that their 'universal search box' is a combination of the Firefox 'Awesome Bar' address bar + Google Search Suggestions. This means that if you're typing something, intending to match it from your browsing history, that information is being leaked to Google. As such, I turned it off, and lost the ability to have Search Suggestions when I actually want them! (I love that ability in Firefox, but it's doing what I expect it to do...in the *Search* box.)

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____________________ TheMoMan _____________________

____ By in house I mean (In House). Where I worked the IT department wrote two programs to track Skilled Tradesmans time. One was called SMART (Shop Management And Resource Tracking) This program ran through an Oracle License. After about a year the company had a firm grip on what it cost to build equipment. The other one was used to track production equipment maintainance and repair costs. I am sure that our company would not want to have that data leaked out to a Competitor. These programs were written in house and worked very well, If I got a repair request on a machine I could call up the repair history for any period I chose to see if there was a trend to the break downs. Those parcels of info Management would not want floating out of the factory.

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If your concern therefore is 'this data should never be accessed over the Internet...ever' -- then I expect the answer would be "so don't - use workstations onsite."

People are screaming that the sky is falling, and Google Chrome OS spells the end of computers as we know them. That simply isn't true. It is true that more and more people have their everyday computing needs served by web-based applications, and for everyday consumer use, a system like Google's may serve people very well. Apple has plenty to fear in this regard in their laptop market, but not in their highly profitable iPhone market. (They already came to that web-based realization when the introduced the iPhone.)

To be sure, paradigms are definitely shifting, and we're moving back towards centralized computing - the difference is that our 'terminals' are a lot richer in UI & smarter than before. As long as non-networked peripherals (iPods, digital cameras, scanners, etc.) are in common use, general purpose computers will have a place in our lives. However, I expect this will lean in the direction of a 'home computer,' with the everyday web stuff being done from smartphones & netbooks. Business applications aren't the swiftest of things to change, but I expect Citrix-like solutions may pick up a good deal in that area. I'm quite curious to know how things like Microsoft Office & OpenOffice.org will be tackled in the Google Chrome OS model, as Google Docs doesn't quite compare for larger documents; also, distinctly local things like Photoshop/Gimp & iTunes/VLC will be harder to replicate online.

These are interesting times indeed.

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There is another angle Cloud vs. desktop - backup. People simply don't do backups well. When all your data lives on our notebook, and you lose it, you turn grumpy very fast. Cloud computing is (for the vast majority of the population) the model that best serves portable devices. Well, that is, cloud computing with off-line mode like GoogleGears.

In the short run desktops will still be the right choice for high-end document/graphics work. I don't think, however, that this is because local apps and storage are inherently better. It is because we have not seen the inflection point where downloading an applet the size of gimp and browsing a large image repository online are fast enough to satisfy. At the right network bandwidth (and the right security compartmentalization model) the advantage of local disk diminishes.

As for MoMan's concern about locally built apps, I don't think that matters. Those always will exist, and they will run in corporate data centers, with web based UIs. Years ago corporate IT departments figured out that it was a lot easier to ensure security when the apps did not run on local desktops. The last thing you want is corporate data on someone's laptop which can be stolen in the airport.

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________________ quantumfluff & dragonman97 _______

____ You both have very good reasons for change, I get scared when I am at a hospital and I see that every department has a PC at the Nurse's desk instead of a dumb terminal. I know they are all linked to a central server, but how secure is the data, vs a purpose program on nix. The world does not need every Nurse to have a PC at her/his workstation.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
________________ quantumfluff & dragonman97 _______

____ You both have very good reasons for change, I get scared when I am at a hospital and I see that every department has a PC at the Nurse's desk instead of a dumb terminal. I know they are all linked to a central server, but how secure is the data, vs a purpose program on nix. The world does not need every Nurse to have a PC at her/his workstation.

Well, not for nothing, but that may follow my remarks about Terminal Services.

At my doctor's office (in a medical group/center), he has a rather small computer which he uses to access a Citrix desktop. All the software is running Windows...but I have to expect it's relatively well managed. There's a reasonable chance your hospital is set up similarly. If not, you probably should be afraid. After all, some candy stripers† might ask to use it to post to Facebook, and land on a page chockful of malware. [Eek!]

† I am *not* going to use Firefox's spelling suggestion for that word!

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________________ Health Care Computers ______________

____ On a Nix Server using dumb terminals, and purpose written Records programs. You will not find the staff playing Solitaire while on duty. You do not get Web surfing, while the system may be set up for text only E-mail or Text Messaging.

____ I get upset if while visiting someone at a Hospital, I go to the Nurse's desk and find two or more people playing diversions and one busy doing charting. I draw the conclusion that they may be over staffed.

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