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Icon 1 posted January 28, 2008 05:04      Profile for password   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i just recently set up a guncon as a mouse on my computer. however the CRT monitor needs to be modified before the guncon will work with it. any idea how i would go about doing that? i cant find instructions anywhere.

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for those of you that have no idea what im talking about guncon.acornscity.com is what im talking about.

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My advice is to stop putzing around with toys and get a real computer - a Mac. [devil wand] [Big Grin]

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_______________________ Before I retired I was using a HP Unigraphics Workstation. By now that thing would be five years old, my guess it has gone to a landfill. Home use computers are nowhere near as powerfull as that thing was, wish there was a way to get my hands on it and set it up for home use. There were some neat things that could be done on those things like go in the Aircleaner inlet and pass throught the engine and out the tail pipe.

The above got me to thinking so I went to the Software Vendors website to see their latest offerings, and I was right that old machine does not have enough power to run the newest version.

For those that want to know the Visualisation ran on HP-UX/10 the new stuff runs 11i we ain't talking windows here Jim in the Forest.

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Icon 1 posted January 29, 2008 21:30      Profile for password   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
My advice is to stop putzing around with toys and get a real computer - a Mac. [devil wand] [Big Grin]

that would be great advice if the mac OS was not a steaming pile of SH**. also their processors are way too underpowered for anything i do. i am currently using a custom PC for all my work. it is running either XP professional, or a really nice distro of linux.

i am looking for help on the guncon issue, if you have just come here to try and make my purchase a, while ascetically pleasing, very crappy computer please go elsewhere.

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Password ________________________ I know that you think that your Yugo of an OS is superior to any thing else. But once you have run HP UX on a workstation and then try to do the same carpart on a very high end PC using winblows you will see that the power is not there over half the pull down menus were disabled on the PC's. Spaceball forget it. partial shading to see inside part structures not available.

Now comes the fun part,process the tool path to cut the dies or molds to make that part. On a workstation some paths took days to compute, the PC's passed the job off to a networked workstation, so because of network time and traffic a big job may take a week. I used to try to have the PC's near my workstation use it, but the network would pass it to a non busy workstation usually in another building.

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Just winding you up password.... we don't really do Mac vs PC flame fests here, but may I suggest that it's a waste of time getting as angry as you seem to about silicon and software. There are bigger things in life. What they might be I can't tell you, but I am reliably informed that there is a world out there. Somewhere or other. [Wink]

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i understand, if its any consolation i dislike windows just as much as i dislike the mac OS. if it weren't for the fact that most of my games ran in windows, i would probably be using linux all the time.

moman, i don't understand. is the HP UX like a supercomputer? or a mainframe?

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password ________________________ When I say workstation, I am implying a desktop hyper computer many times more powerful than a home use or highend PC. With a very high end graphics card and matching moniter, ( they come pared the moniter and graphics card )

Hp UX is a high end version of Unix setup for a series of workstations, then there is the program used for the CAD, CAM, CAE, and I forgot the fourth one.

Cad: Computer aided drawing, (blue prints or detail drawing)

Cam: Computer aided Machining for making the tools, dies, and molds to make the part from CAD.

CAE: Computer aided Engineering used by the engineers for finite stress analiysis before they released a part to me to fabricate the tool.

There are about seven high end CAD,CAM,CAE, C4 programs used by American Auto, Aircraft and Space, and would you believe that a Golf club manufacturer recruted me after I retired to help them make Golf Clubs.

At the place I worked a seat or license to use the Software was $50k we had 300 seats.

So back to your question HP-UX is a high end Unix used in industry. On highend workstations, My problems with windows is I don't know how to work the file structure as well as I know how to move around in Unix. So I Like BSD, it looks like nix as it should.

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Icon 1 posted January 30, 2008 14:56      Profile for password   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
whats BSD?

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quote:
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whats BSD?

This is BSD. It's the original Unix, and one of its variants is the basis of MacOS X, so if you want to keep your mind comfortably closed, I guess you wouldn't like it.

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i find command line interfaces very useful in many situations, i am particularly fond of the su command in linux bash.

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...which like totally doesn't exist in the copy of bash that comes with OS X. No way, dude. You've totally pwn3d OS X...congrats!

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quote:
Originally posted by password:
that would be great advice if the mac OS was not a steaming pile of SH**. also their processors are way too underpowered for anything i do.

/me thinks about what she uses a Mac for
/me thinks about how fscking fast the routines she uses on that Mac run
/me thinks about the graphics rendering capabilities of said Mac

You, sir, are full of shit.

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And the labrat pwns the password! [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
...which like totally doesn't exist in the copy of bash that comes with OS X. No way, dude. You've totally pwn3d OS X...congrats!

Really?

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that would be great advice if the mac OS was not a steaming pile of SH**. also their processors are way too underpowered for anything i do.

/me thinks about what she uses a Mac for
/me thinks about how fscking fast the routines she uses on that Mac run
/me thinks about the graphics rendering capabilities of said Mac

You, sir, are full of shit.

I reckon that objectively PCs are you weapon of choice if
  • You are a serious gamesplayer. Mac gamesplayers can of course buy a console, but there are some games that are better when played on a computer.
  • You like to roll your own PC, and have the freedom to swap to the latest graphics card, or a new motherboard
  • You need to run some highly specialised software that is not available on the Mac. I believe for instance that the most advanced CAD applications are PC only.

For just about everything else Macs IMHO wins hands down, and it's not just me a Mac user saying that, PC magazine rated the MacBook Pro as the best laptop for Vista! It has been very complimentary about the MacOS in general and Leopard in particular. Even if you live in the furthest reaches of geekdom and are privy to the deepest mysteries of the CLI, where linux may still have one or two tricks that OS X cannot pull, you can run it in emulation on the Mac at almost full speed.

Other than that it's just a matter of personal taste, and there's no accounting for that. It's definitely not worth getting fired up about

So Xan of course he's talking nonsense, but he's just a young teenage boy (about 14 is my guess), and let's not feed the troll. OS religious wars are so boring.

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Cally...take a second to infer my tone/meaning. [Razz]

(I was already tempted to point out that my 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo MacBook is a damn fast laptop...and I do pretty good crunching on it.)

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Whoopsy dman! I must have forgotten my irony tablets this morning. [blush]

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__________________________ Calli I went to all those lengths to discribe how workstations run and you post this:

You need to run some highly specialised software that is not available on the Mac. I believe for instance that the most advanced CAD applications are PC only.

I even pointed out in my posts that HIGHEND PC's don't have the guts to run Good design CAD, CAM, CAE soft ware that you need a system that can run HP-UX

Unigraphics, Catia, and I can not remember the third, have watered down versions that will display a part on a PC but it better be a very HIGHEND PC. Then there is the issue of the menu items that do not work on a PC. So they are not high lighted all of those work on the Workstation.

I would rather have a root canal done with out a local than have to draw a toolpath with a PC.

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as i stated before, macs are slower than PC's by comparison. who ever said i was about 14 (i think calli (ill check later)) wasnt far off. im 15. here is where i get the info to say macs are slower than pcs 2GHz dual core. my PC is a single core and is running at 2.7 GHz when i dont have it overclocked. i rely on the interchangeability because i need that kind of thing for the stuff i do. also (to many people's amazement) i am using a program called AutoCAD to design a Mech i am building (for more info on this look at dead threads in the lets get creative section). here is my final statement on the Mac vs. PC thing. Mac OS sucks. their computers however are quite good if not completely overpriced.

and as for VISTA. dont get me started. its like the took a version of XP removed all the good command line commands and other geek devices and replaced them with nonfunctional flashing panels. im not going to continue because i could rant about vista for several hours and still have more to say.

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_______________________ Auto Cad what a POS, if auto cad was any good don't you think that they would have cornered the market, with their lower resourse requirment. Some of the engineers would bring in an Auto-cad file and ask us to work on it. Do this and that and give it back to me. Well after we had changed the DXF to work and did the changes that s/he wanted it would not work in Auto-cad. Auto-Cad is good for wireframe and sheet body drawings, but falls flat when defining surfaces.

Now I want you to think about processors, Back in the seventies when all these little coputer companies were getting going. TI used a chip call the TMS 9900 very good chip for math and spherical geometry, actually came out or Loran Navigation type systems. 4004 general purpose chip for number crunching evolved into 8008 and then into 8086 and later xxx86 chips. Apple and amiga went with the 68xxx series Motorola chips that allowed better color control. One of the reasons Macs are used in Full color layouts for magazines is the level of color control and the fact that a file done on one mac and taken to another will still render the same. So use a chip that evolved from word processing into a gameing chip and be happy. Once you are old enough to have gone through a few near death experiences, and got out unscathed you will realise that a computer is a tool nothing more and some are designed to do different things.

And Auto-cad is a wimp of a design program.

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quote:
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here is where i get the info to say macs are slower than pcs 2GHz dual core. my PC is a single core and is running at 2.7 GHz when i dont have it overclocked.

Let me guess...

Do you live under a bridge and eat little billy-goats-gruff?

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password you start your post off by saying
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here is where i get the info to say macs are slower than pcs

and then cruelly deny us the source of this useful knowledge, instead describing your PC. You then claim to be using Autocad to design your "Mech". To entertain other forum members, I'll repost the url of the file describing it, which you shared with us earlier. Here it is.

http://www.freewebs.com/patrickdodd/mech.pptx

Very impressive! I particularly admire the mastery of the technical skills and all round engineering know-how so clearly demonstrated in your elegant design for the hydraulic systems shown below:-

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- and by the way the cutting edge CAD app you have used to design it is actually called Powerpoint.

And er... where do you get your info?

PS Seriously password you are a young kid who likes playing computer games, and dreaming about robots, ninjas, and other cool stuff. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm more than 40 years older than you, and not so very different. But just keep the mad sk1llz bullshit for your teenage friends, though you'd have to be lucky to fool even them. At the very least cover your tracks better next time!

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___________________________ Nice post Calli. My next one was to point out that I was paid to make the molds and dies that are used to make car parts, So username I was paid to use a computer, the software was expensive and the workstation was one of these HP , Sun, or Dec. So you have maybe tops five years using your parents PC. I was paid to use computers for twenty years.

Go open the hood on your parents car and take a good look at the air cleaner, open it, look inside of the plastic housing and then think about the mold that held the hot liquid plastic that set up in that mold. Then the press opens the mold and the ejectors fire forcing the part to come out. Well username I built the molds and or repaired them, for living so when I say that I do not like windows, I have more experience to draw from.

As for the guncon mouse, why don't you just search the internet and find out how to calibrate your mouse and video card. The adjustments are in the video card not the CRT. The CRT only does what the video card orders.

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*sigh*

First, the answer to the original question, from the people who made the Guncon:

Can I use this with my PC's monitor?
Without making a hardware modification to the gun itself (which we DO NOT yet have diagrams for, although they are being made), NO. These lightguns were made to sync with CRT TV's, and nothing else. You cannot use it with an LCD, CRT Monitor, Projection TV, or anything except a standard CRT television normally. You can use it with an arcade monitor, but if you havn't heard of that, you don't have one. You can buy a gun made for PC Monitors like the ACT-LABs gun if you must use a gun with your monitor - this is probably easier than trying to mod the gun currently.


As for the rest of this topic:

The best OS/computer for you is the one that you can get the results you need/want from and like the most (or in my case, hate the least). This does not make it the best OS/computer for anyone else and no amount of arguing on your part will ever change that fact.

And now I'll leave you all to your pointless pissing and moaning about what's best.

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Dude, don't draw in PowerPoint. It's a miserable fscking experience in general, and doesn't port well from computer to computer, even when both computers are using the same OS. If you want to do technical drawing, use the technical software. If you want to do artsy stuff, Adobe Illustrator is da bomb. CorelDraw is supposed to be good too but I've never used it so I can't say for sure.

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