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Hello all once more ...


This time, I am interested why in the so-called "l33t [email protected]": http://ryanross.net/leet, the word "hacker" is spelled as: "h4x0r", "h4x0R", or "h4X0R" ?? I mean instead of 6 letters only 5, and also in my opinion, the letter "x" (or "x0") doesn't even resemble "ck" part (or "cke")


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I'm not sure of the origin of it, or why it is, but it's actually pronounced like it looks.

'hacksore'

I think it probably came from 'hacks' at some point.. then someone made that into 'hax'

And then someon else would have thought it was funny to put the 'er' back on the end.

haxer.

Then, put that into l33t, and you have h4x0r.

How's that for a really bad explanation?

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It's also written as haxx0r sometimes. That would make it a likely candidate to become h4x0r (a -> 4, reduce redundant Xs). Don't try too hard to understand script kiddies - they're illiterate morons.

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satyr________________It also makes it easier to spot a non-geek when they come here, this board sort of frowns on not so correct english.

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Possible idea:
haXOR -- contains XOR or a variant...

I've seen thanks shortened to thnx.

I think they shorten to be lazy, and then create the most god-awful key combinations when they make it "kewl" by "l33t1ng" it. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
I'm not sure of the origin of it, or why it is, but it's actually pronounced like it looks.

'hacksore'

Maybe someone thought it was cool because it sounds like 'hacksaw'.

But no, your explaination sounds more reasonable.

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Y'know, AIMers and script kiddies think they invented all this stuff. But if you use a TTY (or relay for the deaf), this is all common place: u and ur for you and your, thx for thanks, k for ok, etc. I wonder how much of it evolved independently, and how much of it crossed over from the deaf community?

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
Possible idea:
haXOR -- contains XOR or a variant...

That would imply some level if ingenuity from script kiddies.
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As a guess, I would say it descends from the use of sux for sucks. Hax for Hacks. A zero with a slash could be substituted for an e based on similar shape, then the A/4 substitution. All that leads to H4x0r.

Of course, I'm pulling all of this out of... umm... we'll just say thin air. It's all guesswork.

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OK, thanks all for your educative explanations, well, to be more precise: thanks for the "variants" of explanations, lol ...


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Plus leetspeak often makes use of reversed/mirrored symbols (e.g. 3 standing for E). 'X' could be seen as a very simplified backwards c and a k without a stem mushed together.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
It's also written as haxx0r sometimes. That would make it a likely candidate to become h4x0r (a -> 4, reduce redundant Xs). Don't try too hard to understand script kiddies - they're illiterate morons.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
satyr________________It also makes it easier to spot a non-geek when they come here, this board sort of frowns on not so correct english.

Now there's an understatement if I ever saw one.

/me goes back to watching people rationalize AIMglish

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The worst thing to do these days is to call yourself a "l337 hax0r" as mostly script kiddies use this term to describe themselves. Even the term cyberpunk is being abused by them.. [Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by SuperFuzzyQuantumFoam:
The worst thing to do these days is to call yourself a "l337 hax0r" as mostly script kiddies use this term to describe themselves. Even the term cyberpunk is being abused by them.. [Mad]

You're angry about them abusing the term 'cyberpunk'?

I have no qualms: I certainly wasn't about to use it myself, ya know?

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Many of my favourite films relate to cyberpunk.
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'cyberpunk' and 'cyber-' have fallen mostly into disuse (thankfully) with the exception of "cyberspace."

I realize that this topic isn't about cracking and script kiddies, except by proxy, but I've gotta say it. What I don't get are the real hackers/crackers that create the scripts the kiddies use. I suppose there are two types:
- "Hey, this is proof of concept of a serious problem..." Where the intent is to draw attention to the holes in the fences around the army bases. I can understand this, iff they approached the company and informed them of the problem, gave ample time and their demonsrtation wasn't meant to do harm just show that it is possible.

- "Hey, look... I can cripple this system. But, if I do it, I'll get arrested. I know, lets post the script and watch a million skriptKiddies take the internet by force, and all claim the script is theirs. So, even if I get caught, I can say 'I just found this script on the net.'" I can't understand this one at all. What is the kick or high of doing this...

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
'cyberpunk' and 'cyber-' have fallen mostly into disuse (thankfully) with the exception of "cyberspace."

I realize that this topic isn't about cracking and script kiddies, except by proxy, but I've gotta say it. What I don't get are the real hackers/crackers that create the scripts the kiddies use. I suppose there are two types:
- "Hey, this is proof of concept of a serious problem..." Where the intent is to draw attention to the holes in the fences around the army bases. I can understand this, iff they approached the company and informed them of the problem, gave ample time and their demonsrtation wasn't meant to do harm just show that it is possible.

- "Hey, look... I can cripple this system. But, if I do it, I'll get arrested. I know, lets post the script and watch a million skriptKiddies take the internet by force, and all claim the script is theirs. So, even if I get caught, I can say 'I just found this script on the net.'" I can't understand this one at all. What is the kick or high of doing this...

I'm not sure of what the actual ratio is, but I'd suggest that the first case is the more likely one. I've dealt with enough companies about bad security practices myself that sometimes the only option is to release an exploit to show people what can be done.

95% of the time I've tried to contact a company to notify them of an exploit or security problem in their software, I get some low level slackjawed e-mail puppet who sends me back a canned response (that, oddly enough, almost always blames it on my browser and/or cookie settings, whether or not its even relevant [or even involves their website at all]).

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drunkennewfiemidget wrote:
95% of the time I've tried to contact a company to notify them of an exploit or security problem in their software, I get some low level slackjawed e-mail puppet who sends me back a canned response (that, oddly enough, almost always blames it on my browser and/or cookie settings

That's because you're either using an out of date browser or not allowing cookies to be set on your system. If you'd just upgrade to the most recent version of IE and allow cookies, I'm sure you'd find far different emails in your inbox [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
drunkennewfiemidget wrote:
95% of the time I've tried to contact a company to notify them of an exploit or security problem in their software, I get some low level slackjawed e-mail puppet who sends me back a canned response (that, oddly enough, almost always blames it on my browser and/or cookie settings

That's because you're either using an out of date browser or not allowing cookies to be set on your system. If you'd just upgrade to the most recent version of IE and allow cookies, I'm sure you'd find far different emails in your inbox [Big Grin]

Nah...his computer would be inoperable. [Wink]

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Holy shmoley, I did not realise there was a HUGE Wikipedia article on l337.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

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quote:
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Holy shmoley, I did not realise there was a HUGE Wikipedia article on l337.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

Dude, 1337 is *so* 1990's.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Dude, 1337 is *so* 1990's.

For sure. That's why all the cool kids I know say "fully sick mate!" now. [Razz]

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Really. I thought it was because Ian Thorpe said so advertsing Uncle Toby's OTs.

Crickey! [Big Grin]

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