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Rhonwyyn

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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2005 21:13      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
How do you pluralize Bloody Mary? Do you ever have less than two panini?

...Just a few questions inspired by ads at work. I'll add more questions as I think of them, but right now I really need to know the answer to the Bloody Mary question.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
How do you pluralize Bloody Mary?

"Make it a double, barkeep"

*rimshot

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Bloody Mary is a proper name, so I'd just add an "s".

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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2005 21:41      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Bloody Marys.

What's the singular of data?

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datum

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Why is is so hard to convince my boss that if you have fewer than two criteria, but more than none, it's a criterion?

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Oh man, you guys in here really have the goodest grammar I have seen on the internet..

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quote:
you guys in here really have the goodest grammar I have seen on the internet..
Shouldn't that be the bestest? [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Grummash:
Why is is so hard to convince my boss that if you have fewer than two criteria, but more than none, it's a criterion?

Heh... that's one of my favourite things too...

There's a section in Schott's Original Miscellany about pluralising some compound terms... I can't remember many, but I know it's 'Doctors Who' rather than 'Doctor Whos'. And, of course, 'passers by' rather than 'passer byes'.

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quote:
Originally posted by maximile:
I know it's 'Doctors Who' rather than 'Doctor Whos'. And, of course, 'passers by' rather than 'passer byes'.

This is true except when it is "Dr. Whos."

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Is pluralization different in Americanese than it is in English though? Either way, "two Bloodies Mary" just doesn't sound right to me.

Anyway, sometimes it's better to reconstruct the whole sentence than to use obscure rules to get something like "Are both Doctors Who's TARDISes blue?" It's longer but more clear to ask, "Did both the first and fifth Doctor Who have a blue TARDIS?" At least I think so. So there. [Wink]

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Is pluralization different in Americanese than it is in English though? Either way, "two Bloodies Mary" just doesn't sound right to me.
Yes, we spell it the proper way - "pluralisation" [Big Grin]

But seriously, the thing about pluralising compound terms is to decide whether the compound can be split into a noun and an adjective, and if so, then pluralise only the noun. For example, if a soldier had to appear before a Court martial on several different occasions, he would have been present at several Court-s martial. (hyphen for illustrative purposes only [Wink] )

With the Bloody Mary example , if you refer to the historical figure, then Bloody is the adjective and Mary is the noun, therefore, had there been more than one of her, we would say "Bloody Marys". With the Drink, both words together form the noun, so "Bloody Marys" still applies.

Doctor Who complicates matters slightly, but only becasue he is fictional. If we treat him as though he was real, his various incarnations should be described as the Doctors Who. However, if we were refering to collectible figurines, then you could ask how many Doctor Whos a person had acquired.

Clear as mud. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Grummash:


Doctor Who complicates matters slightly, but only becasue he is fictional. If we treat him as though he was real, his various incarnations should be described as the Doctors Who. However, if we were refering to collectible figurines, then you could ask how many Doctor Whos a person had acquired.

Clear as mud. [Big Grin]

Thanks heavens we're not dealing with several physicians and their (English) kit. You know,
"Doctors whose..." Or worse, physicians that had acquired a collection of Doctor Whos, as in,

"Doctors whose Doctor Whos..." [Big Grin]

Okay. I think I'm done now. TGIF

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Garlicguy - are you thinking of four medical brothers, family name 'Who', all trying do decide ownership of their childhood collection of action figures? If so, the issue is:

Amongst the Doctors Who, whose Doctor Whos belong to whom, and should the Doctors Whos belong to whichever of the Doctors Who claims them first?

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Danged if I know?? [Confused]

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I think it should be Bloody Mary's. [Wink]

Please don't kill me, I'm only kidding. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
I think it should be Bloody Mary's. [Wink]

Please don't kill me, I'm only kidding. [Big Grin]

Maybe we should work at pluralising dragon(s) and man (men) and their friends and toys?

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I think we should just give up an all have some Bloody Marys [crazy]

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Not to mention parliaments of owls, knots of toads, murders of rooks, gaggles of geese, etc.

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So what's the collective noun for geek? Any ideas or suggestions?
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Quick grammar question:
"followup," "follow-up," or "follow up?"

From an e-mail in my draft folder:
"I'm CCing you on this as a follow-up about foobarbaz."

dict seems to put the most weight behind "follow-up," but does seems to offer 'followup' as an option.

Google Fight also backs 'follow-up'
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=follow-up&word2=%22follow+up%22
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=follow-up&word2=%22followup%22

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quote:
Originally posted by maximile:
So what's the collective noun for geek? Any ideas or suggestions?

A gaggle of geeks?

Or a directory of technophiles?

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hi dragonman97

'Follow-up' is the noun, as per your example:" I'm CCing you on this as a follow-up about foobarbaz."

However, 'follow up' is the phrasal verb, as in 'please follow up any initial suggestions with a more detailed proposal later'.

'Followup', as far as I am aware, isn't a word, but I am open to correction....

Hope this helps. [Smile]

maximile - how about a "spectacle" of geeks? [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by maximile:
So what's the collective noun for geek? Any ideas or suggestions?

A gaggle of geeks?

Or a directory of technophiles?

Pshaw. It's obviously a .tar of geeks.

[Big Grin]

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Grummash: Thanks!

Stormalon: Shouldn't that be a 'tarball of geeks?' =P

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