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Xanthine

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Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
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Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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My Mommy says I'm special.

That's funny, your Mom told me I'm special, too.
Standing in for Cap'n Vic, are we? [Wink]
Well, we haven't had a good mother joke here on ages, have we.
We don't have a good mother joke on here now. [Razz]
Took the words right out of my mouth. [Smile]
Where's the Cap'n when we need him?

GG: you signed up for this^^^ crap? What in God's name is wrong with you????

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
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Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
My Mommy says I'm special.

That's funny, your Mom told me I'm special, too.
Standing in for Cap'n Vic, are we? [Wink]
Well, we haven't had a good mother joke here on ages, have we.
We don't have a good mother joke on here now. [Razz]
Took the words right out of my mouth. [Smile]
Where's the Cap'n when we need him?

GG: you signed up for this^^^ crap? What in God's name is wrong with you????

I thought you didn't believe in God, Xanth? [Razz]

So how many subsets of quotes can we get until the software starts complaining? [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
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Originally posted by Xanthine:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
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Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
My Mommy says I'm special.

That's funny, your Mom told me I'm special, too.
Standing in for Cap'n Vic, are we? [Wink]
Well, we haven't had a good mother joke here on ages, have we.
We don't have a good mother joke on here now. [Razz]
Took the words right out of my mouth. [Smile]
Where's the Cap'n when we need him?

GG: you signed up for this^^^ crap? What in God's name is wrong with you????

I thought you didn't believe in God, Xanth? [Razz]

So how many subsets of quotes can we get until the software starts complaining? [Wink]

Actually there's so much wrong with me Xanth, that if I listed it all here, the software might just go "ugh" and crash the big one. If it didn't, those reading the post certainly would.
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I was using a fairly common figure of speech. I'm on the fence about divine beings, Rhonnie. THere's no empirical proof either way, so I'm left with me gut and my gut isn't saying much one way or the other about deities (spirits less than deities, OTOH, such as kami, I am inclined to believe in, if only because I've spent too much time in the wilderness not to notice them). I am, however, pretty certain that if there is a God, s/he/it is not what the three main monotheistic religions have made him/her/it out to be. I can't reconcile the notion of an involved and caring God with certain events in my life, and an angry or vengeful God isn't getting any worship out of me. However, the ancient Greek idea of three old hags spinning the threads of fate...now that I could believe, even though I don't think prayers or worship would do me any good with those three. God as represented in the Book of Job I could also believe in, though I would be no more inclined to worship such a capricious God than I would be in worshipping the Fates. My spirituality is not as cut-and-dried as it is for some. There's some great things about Western religions, but, as I've already mentioned, I can't reconcile the Abrahamic interpretation of God with my own experiences and without that reconciliation the religion I was born into (Christianity of the Presbyterian flavor) isn't doing it for me. Make any sense?

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Yup. Makes sense. I believe in God because I choose to do so. In some sense, it's been easier to reconcile the many facets of God because I grew up with a parent who has a volatile personality. Her changing moods/attitudes definitely caught me off guard at times, but the underlying knowledge that she loves me gets me through the rough stuff.

The God of the Old Testament can seem pretty cut-and-dried and rather violent/judgmental at times. (The thing is, He has the right to be that way. People try to put Him in a box 'cause it's easier for us to comprehend Him that way, but it just can't work.) However, a lot of the punishments we see as harsh and judgmental are results of someone's deliberate consequences. God formed a covenant with Abraham by saying "If you love me and obey me, then I will make your descendants as many as the stars." The people who were punished many times deliberately violated that covenant. Inherant to living in the Garden of Eden was not eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, but because Adam and Eve disobeyed, they could not live there. If, then. If you obey, all will be good. Conversely, if you don't, then you'll suffer the consequences.

BUT, if you keep reading, you'll see that God has a tender heart and a spirit of forgiveness. When David committed adultery with Bathsheba, he should have been put to death, but because he repented and asked for forgiveness, God forgave him. The same with Jonah. When he ran away from God's command to go to Ninevah (the mortal enemy of the nation of Israel), God gave him a second chance when he repented. (It took three days in a fish for him to come to that point... kinda like "If you don't do X by the time I count to three: 1, 2, 2.25, 2.5, 2.75..." [Smile] )

That carries into the New Testament. God sent Jesus in human form so that we could relate to Him. I can see how it would be hard to accept that there's only one way to heaven when so many religions say that they can get you there too, but in every other religion you have to work your way there. Jesus, the epitome of perfection (and the only perfect person ever), suffered the "then" consequences for us so we wouldn't have to. When we sin, we've defaulted on the good version of the "If, then" covenant. Thus, we have to suffer the consequences, and in terms of life and death, that means death--forever separated from God. We can't do enough good stuff to get out of it. But just like God gave David and Jonah an "out," He gives one to us as well. We just have to ask.

As far as denominations go, remember that they aren't necessarily created by God. They're just humanity's attempt at creating structures in which they feel they can understand the Bible and grow as Christians (or for some, have a place to go on Sundays to show off their new cars or new dress, but that's really rather sad). The important thing for a new Christian (and for seasoned ones too!) is that they find a church where the Bible is taught as Truth and where fellowship with fellow Believers will help them grow in their understanding of God and His Word, the Bible.

EDIT: Plus, it helps to think of it as a relationship and not a religion. Religion tends toward the mundane and lifeless ritual, but relationship is vibrant and growing. Getting to know God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit is kinda like meeting someone online. You control how often you communicate with them (how/when you pray and read your Bible) and you allow what they say to affect you. There's really no one best way to do it. God's mult-faceted. So're we. It works rather well that way. [Smile] Sometimes just throwing away everything you ever learned in church or school and pulling out the Bible and reading makes a lot more sense. The Gospels and Genesis are great places to start. So are the Psalms. (Well, everything is, but hit those if you just want the highlights. [Smile] )

Wow. When I asked that question of you Xanth, I really wasn't fishing to get into a discussion with you. Honest! If this has been helpful to you, or to anyone reading, great. If not, ehh...

/Back to our regularly scheduled program...

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Getting to know God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit is kinda like meeting someone online. You control how often you communicate with them (how/when you pray and read your Bible) and you allow what they say to affect you.

Sorry to continue the threadjacking, but I just had to say: Rhonwyyn, that is the best, most concise metaphor to a relationship with God that I've ever heard (or read, in this case). I need to remember that!

PS: NOW we return your to your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.

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Rhonwyyn

Truly that is one of the best pieces on what Christianity *should* be about I have read in a long time...

And that comes, as you know, from a confirmed agnostic/neo-pagan/'be excellent to each other and party on dudes"/I follow what feels right but refuse all organised religions... sort of guy!

I follow no specific religion and have a personal distaste for most organised religions and I *personally* can't get into the Jesus as the Messiah thing.

But I would never intentionally mock or denigrate the faith/creed/religion of anyone... We are all free to believe and worship as we see fit.

I go by the "do as you would be done by" philosophy and have commented on my views before.

Jesus, Mohamed, Moses, Buddah, Ba'hai - WHATEVER (in best nasty "valley" accent).

But seriously, I know that several regulars here are seriously commited Christians - and I respect that.

Whether I think they are wrong or right is irrelevant; equally there are quite likely Jews, Jehovah Witnesses, Moslems (is that still allowed or are they now "followers of Islam"?), Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus and for all I know Rastafari, Zoastrians, Ba'Hai, Jains, etc. etc. on this forum - and although I might not personally subscribe to their beliefs I believe they are all within their rights to hold them.

Rhonwyyn, I applaud your strength of character and faith in being able and prepared to bare your soul and your personal take on your own faith in such an open manner.

Can't say it is ever going to convert me; but that was never its intent anyway...

Again, what I think about it doesn't really matter...

That it means enough to you for you to shout it from the rooftops (metaphorically speaking) pleases me (even though most people would think it would repulse me...)

I dislike the whole Catholic Church dogma thing - that doesn't mean I have to despise Catholic believers... (and yes, I seriously respected Pope John Paul II - even though to me the whole idea of the Pope as some sort of *direct representative* of a God I don't even believe in goes completely against my own feelings of "right"!)

I guess what I am trying to say is:
"walk your path in peace, do no harm unto others so that they do no harm unto you, may your conscience be your guide and in the end may your own god walk with you..."

Peace and blessings on all of us now and forever...

Good Night one and all

(Sorry I don't normally get so philosophical...)

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Well i'm one of those mac lovers here and to say that macs DO have shift keys.......

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I'll second (third?) the folks admiring your description of Christianity, but I do have to point out that Christianity is not the only faith where belief is all that's (in theory) needed.

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I was born Catholic, but I chose not to believe in it, because I can't prove it to be right or wrong. I believe in a god/goddess, because something must have caused the big bang, but not the Bible, because I also find it to be biased by those who wrote it to their convenience. I tend to go more with the answers that science gives, rather than those that religion gives.

PS: how did we go from talking about liking Macs, to shift keys, to trucks, to Christianity?

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quote:
Originally posted by Luis:
PS: how did we go from talking about liking Macs, to shift keys, to trucks, to Christianity?

That, I believe, would be my fault. I lurk and watch threads, and every time I peek into one, it takes a turn for the weird.

I think it has to do with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, the internet corollary, in that an unread thread has all possible replies in it at once until browsed, at which point it collapses into coherency. Or in my case, incoherency.

Just think of me as Schoerdinger, only with an absurdist bent.

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(lurking for 3 years and counting)

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Stormtalon: Now that you've come out of lurking, we'll count that as the final part of the proof of the non-existance of god.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
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Originally posted by Waldo:
am i like the only person who likes macintosh?!?

I dunno, but you seem to have a hate for the shift key [Razz]
well ... i am another shiftkeyhater aka macaddict [crazy]

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quote:
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Stormtalon: Now that you've come out of lurking, we'll count that as the final part of the proof of the non-existance of god.

Howabout we split the difference and agree it's the proof of the non-existence of a Rational god. Honestly, I think the worse curse imaginable (worse even than the Chinese "May you lead an interesting life!") is "May an absurdist playwright die and become your guardian angel/spirit."

Trust me. You do NOT want Eugene Ionescu looking out for you from the great beyond.

(And to make matters worse, I'm convinced he's tag-teaming with Sartre. *Resigned Sigh*)

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Well, you could have Kafka's ghost looking after you. That's fun. Trust me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Well, you could have Kafka's ghost looking after you. That's fun. Trust me.

Yeah, I suppose that would bug me just a bit. Still I'd have to say I'd come out of it a changed man....

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
quote:
Originally posted by Waldo:
am i like the only person who likes macintosh?!?

I dunno, but you seem to have a hate for the shift key [Razz]
Hey you have to give him some credit, he had to hold shift for the ? and !'s

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God does not exist.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arctuniol:
God does not exist.

Arctuniol

...but trolls do.

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But there are different kind of trolls, depending on what game you are playing, book you are reading, or movie you are watching.

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I've loved mac ever since my Apple IIgs, now that was a machine.


Windows is only meant for playing games, nothing more.

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I've been a Mac user since 1986.

I work on wintel machines.... if there's a gun to my head

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quote:
Originally posted by Arctuniol:
But there are different kind of trolls, depending on what game you are playing, book you are reading, or movie you are watching.

Arctuniol

Or thread you are reading.

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I love Macs, but I got a PC for my gaming needs...
I've gone over to the dark side...

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quote:
Originally posted by pigion:
I've loved mac ever since my Apple IIgs, now that was a machine.


Windows is only meant for playing games, nothing more.

Not so. Windows is meant for many things.

What it is succesfully used for is a completely different story.

Ok, I get the whole "Mac is better than Windows, nanu nanu" thing. But, why is it that people just say it to ... say it? I mean, they come up with the lamest reasons to say it is.

Here is an example of a valid reason for not using Windows.

"Windows is a considerably unsecure operating system. This including adware, virii, and all that bit. And the whole 14 (or is it 12) minute heist dealie."

Here is an example of an invalid reason for not using Windows.

"It's made by Bill Gates. Bill Gates is Satan."

I mean, come on, weren't we through with all that "this is evil, that is evil" bullshit maybe back when we were still playing in the sandbox?

Or, well, I'll just shut up.

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